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Well if Clem did the FDC cacheted envelope, (which one assumes he did) he did not print many, that seems clear from how few appear. :)

Certainly will be the only autographed one existing, that is for sure!
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From memory he did covers for each of the different Cook Mini-Sheets he overprinted.

I have 3 different postmarks for the "fdcs" he did for the "Opening of Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine".
Orlo Smith fdc with oveprinted Cook Mini-Sheet for Opening of Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) - 1st July 1970
Orlo Smith fdc with oveprinted Cook Mini-Sheet for Opening of Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) - 1st July 1970
Registered Orlo Smith fdc with oveprinted Cook Mini-Sheet for Opening of Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine postmarked Tullamarine Vic - 1st July 1970
Registered Orlo Smith fdc with oveprinted Cook Mini-Sheet for Opening of Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine postmarked Tullamarine Vic - 1st July 1970
Registered Orlo Smith fdc with oveprinted Cook Mini-Sheet for Opening of Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine postmarked on first day of new post office at Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine Vic - 14th August 1970
Registered Orlo Smith fdc with oveprinted Cook Mini-Sheet for Opening of Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine postmarked on first day of new post office at Melbourne Airport at Tullamarine Vic - 14th August 1970
Not sure how many mini-sheets were printed nor how many "fdcs" were produced.

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Nice range ... you probably have a decent % of all those covers known. :)

It is not common at all in my experience.
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Yes, I think they came a Rod Perry Auction about 20 years ago.

More from the printing presses of Orlo Smith. 149 Collins Street next to the Metro Collins Street cinema was a short walk to the Philatelic Bureau at Russell St (corner Little Collins Street).
Registered Orlo Smith fdc with Cook Mini Sheet overprinted with early Australian Coins postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) cds  - 22nd May 1970.
Registered Orlo Smith fdc with Cook Mini Sheet overprinted with early Australian Coins postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) cds - 22nd May 1970.
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Registered Orlo Smith fdc with unofficial line perforated Cook Mini Sheet overprinted   postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) cds - 27th May 1970.
Registered Orlo Smith fdc with unofficial line perforated Cook Mini Sheet overprinted postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) cds - 27th May 1970.
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Orlo Smith fdc with "Blotted Out copy of the Sydney Exhibition Souvenir Sheet 1970 due to legal action" Cook Mini Sheet postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) cds - 3rd December 1971.
Orlo Smith fdc with "Blotted Out copy of the Sydney Exhibition Souvenir Sheet 1970 due to legal action" Cook Mini Sheet postmarked Philatelic Bureau Russell St (Melbourne) cds - 3rd December 1971.

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There is a discussion about Phillip Law on the thread linked below:


https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=35745&start=250

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Have a nice bunch of circa 1970s PO FDC here, inc all the 'goodies', on official AP FDC, signed by the stamp designers, and Antarctic legend, Philip Law etc.

Law seems to have attended quite a few Australia Post official Launches even aged in his 90s, so the often spidery handwriting on some pieces fits in!

One is a fine unaddressed Wesley 1970 Cook FDC, signed by stamp designers Robert Ingpen and Arthur Leydin, as well as Philip Law. In stock as 792KA at $60, and I really doubt another exists globally. 8-)

https://www.austehc.unimelb.edu.au/guides/lawp/LAWP010.htm#top


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Can anyone take a guess at the other signatory of this official Cook FDC?



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BigSaint wrote: 12 Jun 2022 12:57
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Well someone should have told them this was not 'line perforated' ... but very clearly ROULETTED!
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Excelsior cover with Cook Mini-Sheet overprinted for ANPEX 1970 & postmarked with special Cook postmark in red on first day of Exhibition - 27th April 1970
Excelsior cover with Cook Mini-Sheet overprinted for ANPEX 1970 & postmarked with special Cook postmark in red on first day of Exhibition - 27th April 1970
I will have look up why this was deemed illegally overprinted as there are lots of these about.

Excelsior were "secretly" advised to bring large covers to ANPEX 1970. :D
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No those are totally legal. Printing anything you like on white selvedge was never an issue.

As I dimly recall, Max Stern got the OK to have the PO provide cartons on mini sheets well in advance of issue date, so that Hawthorn press could overprint 50,000 numbered sheets.

They supposedly could be bought at face when you showed your 30c entry ticket. He agreed to buy the lion's share for that 55c+30c (85c) and hence donated that $10,000 to Anpex Fundraising - say a ¬$200,000 donation in today's money) and flogged off the rest to all comers - at higher than that - say $1 each. The price later soared, and Max was naturally the only source. :!:

Fierce dealer rival Clem Englekamp was miffed by this, as it was yet another secret Max insider deal, and made the same numbered overprints on 55c Cook sheets, and sold them for 90c or whatever - a bit less than Max was.

Legal action ensued, Max of course won, and Clem was ordered to deface all his. So Clem sold those (for more than the official ones!) and then to have the last say overprinted them with coins and planes, Catholic Congress, USA Bicentennial, and rouletted and so on, and made a killing. :lol:
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Thanks Glen. From memory I think Clem had multiple copies of the same number. :roll:
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Yes ACSC notes NINE serial numbers Clem duplicated on the ANPEX sheets. He was not very bright as one was 56231, when only 50,000 genuine were made!

Who say that Crime Does Not pay ..... ACSC lists the blocked out sheets by Court Order at $80 mint, and the legit ones at $20!
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A homemade FDC commemorating the Standard Gauge Rail Link 1970 5c stamp.

Addressed to Mr PLV Pascoe of Darwin, Northern Territory.

CDS of Darwin dated 11FE70.

AIR MAIL and a cachet featuring three aboriginal / indigenous men are both printed on the envelope.
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Never seen that one before. Thanks for showing.

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Unbranded Registered WCS cachet fdc for QEII 3½d red stamp x 4, issued on her 27th birthday, postmarked Largs North SA on fdi - 21st April 1953 to Largs North.
Unbranded Registered WCS cachet fdc for QEII 3½d red stamp x 4, issued on her 27th birthday, postmarked Largs North SA on fdi - 21st April 1953 to Largs North.
MWP page 5 describe this cover as the first stamp issue specific cachet produced by WCS.


Haslem cachet fdc for 3½d QEII stamp postmarked Largs North SA cds on fdi - 21st April 1953 to Wesley Cover Service at Largs North SA.
Haslem cachet fdc for 3½d QEII stamp postmarked Largs North SA cds on fdi - 21st April 1953 to Wesley Cover Service at Largs North SA.
Unusual usage of a Haslem fdc by Wesley at Wesley for Wesley, especially so as it was for this stamp issue that Wesley commenced issue specific cachets fdcs for the first time.

Has anyone else seen Haslem fdcs serviced by Wesley? Why would WCS service Haslem fdcs to themselves when they produced there own fdcs :?:
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Hi BigSaint,

I do not know the answer as to why the Haslem cover was serviced & addressed to "Wesley Cover Service".

However, I too have these two covers - same cachets and same address on each, as on yours (just my WCS example is not Registered).

The only other FDCs that I have addressed to "Wesley Cover Service" are from 1954 and 1955 (example below).
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[FYI, After 1956, similar WCS examples are addressed with a "John Gower" label.]

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Rod Perry wrote: 22 Oct 2018 19:43
GlenStephens wrote:
BigSaint wrote:
There was also a standing order list for stamps & serviced fdcs at the Sydney GPO Philatelic counter.

Brad :)
Brad in your own reply, from Frank Pauer on that subject, from the thread you reference "No official standing order for FDC’s".
That is Gospel for me anyway. Clearly for some of them, like the 3½d Blue above only 1 cover exists, which also seems to very clearly point to no 'standing order lists' etc being in place in Sydney.

Whilst it is arguably cool that SOMEONE created some of these, I can't help but pigeon hole them in my mind to things akin to John Gower "faking" FDC via well after issue date with his Largs Bay cds, as favours etc.

Gary must have had some source that Thompson worked at the PO I imagine, to have published that in a FDC heavyweight sale. Neither he, you, me , Rod or Frank Pauer were even born when these FDC were created, so I guess no-one will know for certain. :mrgreen:
The record needs to be set straight for certain happenings at Sydney G.P.O. in 1940s/1950s, and this is probably as good a time and place to do so.

Parish is not "our man"

In the 1990s, I attributed the rare 1940s/1950s FDCs to Hayward C Parish . . . wrongly it so happens, I have recently learnt.

My attribution came about when I was looking for a name to pin on the source of the wealth of KGVI-era Plate nos., perforation and other freaks, etc, etc, found in the Abramovich remarkable collection (the Arthur Gray equivalent of its era).

Since the 1960s, I had known, Abramovich had a source for such material, which had its origins within the very office of the Distributor of Stamps, based at Sydney G.P.O. That source would inspect every sheet, and extract anything of philatelic interest, replacing the extractions with current stamps, sourced elsewhere in the P.O. system. Nothing untoward, I understand.

It was not until the 1990s, at least in my experience, that a small number of extremely rare FDCs (perf., paper, no wmk. variants), addressed to Hayward C Parish, first surfaced, and were consigned to my auction business.

From that data, I incorrectly deduced that Parish was "the man" at Sydney G.P.O.

So, how do I now know he was not?

In my Australasian Stamp News column, November 2017, analysing the Gray KGVI auction at Spink, I included:

"Parish was employed in the Distributor of Stamps office at Sydney GPO at the time of the 1940s change of perforation, and later appearance of unwatermarked paper for Zoological, and some contemporary definitive issues. As the new printings arrived in stock, Parish prepared FDCs for himself, and a small band of family/friends. He also is believed to have checked incoming sheet stock for the presence of Plate numbers (of which the Gray collection contained an abundant selection), and other variations desirable by specialists."

The Abramovich collection had been the source of much of the material, once or more removed, which was offered in the Gray KGVI.

Subsequent to the appearance of my column, a very senior Philatelist, whose word is without question, and memory to be envied, advised me Parish never worked for the P.O.

It transpires, Parish, whom my informant once met, was an American, believed to be President of one of the large U.S. film studio distribution businesses in Australia - Universal Studios, 20th Century Fox, or such.

Apparently, John Shaiak, the Royal Arcade Stamp Dealer, was his exclusive supplier of philatelic material.

The one exception to that exclusivity, it appears, was a relationship, along with a handful of others, to that "clique" which benefitted from an association with the actual servicer of the rare FDCs.

I regret I have been asked by my informant not to divulge a name, for reasons unknown to me, but I must respect those wishes. Perhaps one day.

By coincidence, I met this FDC-servicing legend, in the 1960s. Little did I know.

G.P.O. SYDNEY 130 applied to FDCs

It has been suggested above that this cds, found applied to the rare FDCs, may have been backdated. I have found no evidence of this. In fact, my informant specifically advised that the individual at the Distributor of Stamps office, upon detecting the arrival of a significant new variant (e.g. perf., paper, no wmk.) would have one or more FDCs serviced at the Stamp Counter (where the "130" cds was maintained). That "130" cds is often seen on FDCs serviced by the Sydney Philatelic trade (e.g. "Royal").

The "Thompson" conundrum

To conclude, Thompson of Rushcutters Bay, one of that "clique" who benefitted from the Sydney G.P.O. FDC servicing, is not to be confused with that other Sydney philatelist, Lieut-Colonel F.V. Thompson (wrongly connected at least twice on this Board).

To be sure, neither Thompson ever worked at Sydney G.P.O.

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There has been a fair amount of discussion of the "Hayward Parish/JC Thompson" FDCs through this thread and elsewhere on the Board. Various views have been advanced concerning their status/genuineness etc, and whether or not they were created at the time or were backdated.

All these FDCs are cancelled with the "Sydney 130" postmarker. Here's an example:
Thompson 1948 FDC 10s Robes Ace 27 Lot 2383.jpg
I draw your attention to the paragraph highlighted in red (by me) above in Rod's post.

Rod was adamant that his impeccable source assured him that covers were not backdated, and Rod said he had no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Here's some evidence:
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Postmarked 19 Nov 1952. This design of cover did not exist in 1952 - it was first used nearly 4½ years later, on 6 Mar 1957.
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So, clearly backdated.

However, I note:

- It lacks the usual Thompson address.

- These "Sydney 130" FDCs are usually higher value/otherwise rare FDCs. The 1952 Scout is neither.
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An interesting find, not only has someone "backdated" the cancel but they have also overprinted the cover for the Jamboree. This suggests to me that if there is one of these then there is more.

This generic "Royal" cachet has always bothered me. Whilst MWP record 6th March 1957 as it's first usage, & I have not seen earlier usage, I have always been puzzled why it did not include the Royal logo in the cachet. MWP tell us the logo had been around from 1954. So why produce a new cachet in 1957 without it?

The latest usage of this cover I have is this one, which I acquired from Rod Perry, last Millenium:
1957 Generic Royal fdc used for 1960 Melbourne Cup 5d stamp postmarked Sydney GPO fdi - 12th October 1960.<br /><br />No sight of &quot;Sydney 130&quot; on this one.
1957 Generic Royal fdc used for 1960 Melbourne Cup 5d stamp postmarked Sydney GPO fdi - 12th October 1960.

No sight of "Sydney 130" on this one.
That "130" cds is often seen on FDCs serviced by the Sydney Philatelic trade (e.g. "Royal").
In relation to Rod's comment I wondered why Rod specifically mentioned Royal. Now we will never know for sure.

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Chris "The Pom"
Most interesting.

Brad "Big Saint"
Maybe Rod simply meant that because Royal were located in central Sydney, that they often serviced their own FDCs at the "GPO Sydney". I do have many examples of theirs with GPO Sydney postmarks - the "number" does vary, but most common seems to be "130" and "110".

Further to the examples shown above, for comparison:

Here is a GPO Sydney 130 cancel on 15 Nov 1948 for the 2½d Scout (i.e. just before the Robes cover).
481115 Haslem maybe for Scouts IMG_0047.jpg
and another for the 3½d Scout on 19 Nov 1952 (i.e as per the above "backdated" Scout boomerang generic cover):
521119 Smyth with Issue details for Scout IMG_0056.jpg
Hope these further the discussion.

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ps. my earliest "Boomerang Generic" is also 6 Mar 1957 (for 10d QE II) and mine is also the same Dark Blue & Red colours as ThePom's example.
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Great find Chris. :lol:

As I have always opined, the crisp cds Thomson type covers were obvious 'inside jobs', and were clearly backdated. And are NOT 'First Day Covers' at all. Total fabrications.

THIS below is the way to be SURE your high values were posted on day of issue!

Invoiced for $2,100 this week, this 1938 £1 Robes FDC is the real deal. :lol:

A week's wages then pre-war .. pretty ballsy to drop this into a letter box at GPO. :mrgreen:


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The fact NONE of the Thomson covers are REGISTERED points clearly at them never being mailed at all. GPO Insiders cannot fake Rushcutters Bay arrival cds, or transit backstamps that all Registered Mail REQUIRED.

And I typed this over 3 years back -

https://www.glenstephens.com/snmay19.html


Not all “FDC” of this 1940s and 1950s era were really serviced on the day, it seems very clear. A vast array of “impossible” FDC exist - most in pristine shape, addressed to “J. C. Thompson, Rushcutters Bay Sydney”. This Thompson is not to be confused with the also well-known and very serious Sydney collector of that same era, (Lieut-Colonel) “F. V. Thompson”.

Clearly the Thompson “FDC” never went near the mailstream - that was a firm requirement back in this immediate post-war era. J.C.Thompson and Hayward Parish between then seem to have assembled them, (using the same typewriter?) and certainly the same unusual “GPO SYDNEY 130” cds steel cds. Near all “impossible” FDC of Australia in that era are addressed to them.

Coil pairs, booklet panes on FDC (even the unissued 3d red KGVI pane!) Perf changes, colour charges, watermark changes, new paper printings like the 10/- and £1 Robes on thin paper etc, etc. Things no-one else in the country managed to get. So to me, clearly this was an “inside job” of some type, and I will bet these covers were NOT done on the days of the postmarks.


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The FDC shown nearby of the 3d green KGVI coil pair sold for $2,700 at Prestige Auctions in 2009. Addressed to Thompson it clearly never went near the mailstream, and has the distinctive “GPO SYDNEY 130” back room cds cancel, that sat on the desk of him, or a buddy, or relative etc.

This 6d franking paid for postage and registered anywhere in Australia. If you were creating this FDC a week or a month later, you cannot manufacture the transit and arrival backstamps, hence none of the Parish or Thompson confections have either, or were sent Registered. Case closed.

Are they genuine FIRST Day Covers - of course not. Are they valuable - well the market clearly tells us they are, as no-one else with insider contacts in the PO bothered creating them, even after the fact, so they remain the only ones buyable, in very many cases. The £1 Thin paper Robes “Thompson” FDC sold for over $10,000 at Auction.

I sold the 3½d red QE2 booklet pane FDC shown nearby for $1,750 last year, ex Arthur Gray. Cat $4,000, another elusive “FDC”. Addressed to Hayward Parish by apparently the same typewriter used for the Thompson covers, and of course tied by the ubiquitous “GPO SYDNEY 130” steel cds.


Who worked where - and when?

Rod Perry advised on stampboards.com the juicy Hayward Parish FDC’s never appeared on the market until the 1990s, via one of his auctions. Those with suspicious minds might feel they could have been made closer to 1990s, than to the 1940s, if the “SYDNEY 130” cds ever went ‘walkabouts’! We will never know, although they were likely done within weeks of real issue date I’d guess. No Registered backstamps = huge doubts.

Gary Watson in his sale catalogues in the past selling these pristine FDC typed “Like JC Thompson, HC Parish worked at the Sydney GPO, and it is noteworthy that this cover is cancelled with the same No. 130 cds, usually applied to the Thompson covers.” Where Watson got that info from, I have no idea. But his research is generally very good - it might have simply been assumed by the trade and collectors.

Rod Perry in an article in “Stamp News” of November 2017 stated: “Parish was employed in the Distributor of Stamps office at Sydney GPO at the time of the 1940s change of perforation, and later appearance of unwatermarked paper for Zoological, and some contemporary definitive issues. As the new printings arrived in stock, Parish prepared FDCs for himself, and a small band of family/friends.”

Rod claimed on stampboards in October 2018 that he had recently been advised by a source un-named, that he was mistaken above, and that neither Parish or Thompson had ever worked for the Post Office. Rod also went on to say his advice was that J.C. Thompson's sister was married to the Distributor of Stamps contact at Sydney G.P.O., via whom these “scarce” FDCs of that era magically materialised.


The Infamous “SYDNEY 130” steel cds cancel.


Anyway, my firm view remains these Parish/Thompson things were basically fabricated after the relevant issue dates, by an PO insider. Who it was is really of no relevance, and 75 years on, we will NEVER know for certain, and all our theories are just that. The covers exist, and only a few of each are recorded.

The clear fact that NONE of these rare FDC are known, serviced from anywhere else in Australia - especially from Melbourne, points to some long running “funny business” in Sydney. They are in catalogues, and collectors like them, and sell for strong prices - some into 5 figures, and that will continue I am sure.
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Back to REAL FDC's of this era, I should know, but cannot recall the cachet maker of this one I added to stock this week for $A100 (Stock 492KX) - can anyone assist? :)

It is a scarce 1938 cover in any form - ASC 176, $130. This one is in superb condition for 84 years old.

It is dated BETWEEN all of Dick's G. J. White of Balgowlah/Manly covers below - and oddly has the same characteristic - flap neatly removed.

''Rod Perry auctioned a number of 'White' fdc covers in his 1997 auction with the distinctive handwriting addressed to 'G White of Jackson St Balgowlah' ''


My 1997 sale Catalogue of that was lost in the flooding here - was this one that he auctioned, does anyone know?

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roninrr wrote: 17 Feb 2021 12:12 The following covers were recently offered on eBay.


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They appear to be by G White who produced minimalist uncacheted covers for a number of KGVI definitives at the time. The rear view shows them to 'flapless', a characteristic of 'White' covers.

I've only known 'White' covers to be distinctively hand-addressed as per the following from my collection.


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Rod Perry auctioned a number of 'White' fdc covers in his 1997 auction with the distinctive handwriting addressed to 'G White of Jackson St Balgowlah' which gives some credibility to the address on the recent eBay covers. Manly and Balgowlah are interchangeable.

Anybody have any information? Made-up or genuine?

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Back to REAL FDC's of this era, I should know, but cannot recall the cachet maker of this one I added to stock this week for $A100 (Stock 492KX) - can anyone assist? :)

It is a scarce 1938 cover in any form - ASC 176, $130. This one is in superb condition for 84 years old.

That's a Haslem cover.
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Many thanks .. weird White was using a Haslem cover in April 20 1938, and BLANK covers in August 1938. And blank covers in May 1937!

Was this one in Perry 1997 sale, if anyone still has that very useful catalogue?

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Coincidence time!

This ebay purchase came through my letterbox a few minutes ago. Not the best condition, but cheap enough.
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Unfortunately I don't have a copy of the 1997 Perry sale catalogue.
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Chris .. odd there were two versions of a scarce cachet from that pre-war era -- one with date, and one without?


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Haslem cachet fdc for KGVI 1½d Maroon postmarked Windsor Vic -  20th April 1938
Haslem cachet fdc for KGVI 1½d Maroon postmarked Windsor Vic - 20th April 1938
Mine is the same as Chris "The Pom". I have not seen an example with the date. An add on?

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I'm not sure about it being an add-on.

Identical ink colour & the neat alignment make me think the date was printed at the same time as the rest of it.
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Australia 20/10 1947 F.D.C. To commemorate the marriage of Princess Elizabeth and The Duke of Edinburgh.<br />BigSaint has not seen this one previously. Can anyone identify the maker?
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I am trying to identify the producer of the cover?
It is 1951 A.N.A.R.E Expedition Macquarie cancellation.
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The Pom wrote: 31 Jul 2022 05:58
I'm not sure about it being an add-on.

Identical ink colour & the neat alignment make me think the date was printed at the same time as the rest of it.

100% agree. No question about it.

Has anyone ever seen this one WITH the year date showing like this?

Listed it up for $A100 this week. Cat $130 for any type, and clearly not a common cover with ANY cachet!


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Hi Glenn,

Yep I have one of these too. It looks almost identical to yours. It's shown on my website on the 'Haslem' page. I'll put the same picture here as well so you can compare:
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The Pom wrote: 31 Jul 2022 05:58
I'm not sure about it being an add-on.

Identical ink colour & the neat alignment make me think the date was printed at the same time as the rest of it.

100% agree. No question about it.

Has anyone ever seen this one WITH the year date showing like this?

Listed it up for $A100 this week. Cat $130 for any type, and clearly not a common cover with ANY cachet!


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I was the successful bidder for lot 66 in Phoenix's latest sale -
"Large range of Heard Island opening day covers (approx 100)".
There are a few cachets that, at this stage, I haven't yet identified - will show later on.

But included in the "range" was this Max Easther-cachetted cover with a green 1954 Expedition Cinderella label and a rather feint purple cachet rubber stamp. The addressee was a local (Launceston), but I don't recognise the name ... and the address was not typed by my father!
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Also in the lot were several photo postcards, other covers with different coloured Cinderella labels and a few home-made covers not using the AAT stamp. Most of the covers had purple cachet rubber stamp pad use but there were about 6 blue ones and two that look distinctly black!

I'm happy with my $100 purchase.

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Nice find. I've got quite a few FDCs with the purple base handstamp cachet. The shades do seem to vary a bit, though I suspect that the colour of the envelope paper is a factor.

I don't ever recollect seeing one in black, I'd be interested to see those.
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Gordon

To the same addressee but postmarked Launceston:
Max Easther cachet fdc for ANARE 3½d stamp postmarked Launceston Tas cds on fdi - 17th November 1954.
Max Easther cachet fdc for ANARE 3½d stamp postmarked Launceston Tas cds on fdi - 17th November 1954.
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Hi Guys n Gals,

I know this is a 1965 Australia Christmas ACCA FDC Green Cachet.

It's the extra Red Cachet bottom left.

Or is it just the Addresseedid it, As nothing on rear.
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Looks like your cover is addressed to eminent Australian Philatelist Clarrie Peck.

The added date could have been done by John Hawker. He had managed the Myer Stamp Shop in the city until he purchased Cheshire Stamps in Windsor from Bob Haslem.

He used to add dates to fdcs, mostly Wesley & first decimal issue, so he appears to be "in the right place at the right time" but that is in a different font & I think he would have printed "20th October 1965" rather than the American format of October 20th 1965.

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cronky wrote: 16 Aug 2022 17:39 Hi Glenn,

Yep I have one of these too. It looks almost identical to yours. It's shown on my website on the 'Haslem' page. I'll put the same picture here as well so you can compare:

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Global Administrator wrote: 16 Aug 2022 13:32
The Pom wrote: 31 Jul 2022 05:58
I'm not sure about it being an add-on.

Identical ink colour & the neat alignment make me think the date was printed at the same time as the rest of it.

100% agree. No question about it.

Has anyone ever seen this one WITH the year date showing like this?

Listed it up for $A100 this week. Cat $130 for any type, and clearly not a common cover with ANY cachet!


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They are near mirror image FDCs cronky. Good to see at least one other with wording at base exists. :)

A scarce FDC in any form, and for exotic cachets - far more so. :!:

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Still working on that Heard Island accumulation I mentioned in this thread a couple of weeks ago .....

But, BREAKING NEWS on Max Easther .... I received a phonecall last week from a local lady who had a collection of mainly first day covers (and some world-wide stamps) that she would like me to have a look at - she was having a clean-out.

I called on her today - the covers start around the late 50s through to the 80s with most of them being of Australia Post origin that her father had had posted to her. She also mentioned that her father was a former editor at the Launceston "Examiner" - where Max Easther spent his entire working life!

Yes, I did come across some Max Easther covers - in fact 41 of them!!!

And that includes two "new" ones that, when I put together the Max Easther monograph last year, I was not aware of!
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The 5d AAT issue of 5 July 1951, above, uses the same basic cachet, but in dark blue, as was used for the AAT issue of 18 Oct 1961 but with different wording - see the cover out of Barry Easther's collection, below.
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Also, it seems that Max DID do a cachet for the 1965 Churchill issue - I think the script (Coronet Standard Bold) font is a giveaway because this is a font that he used in dozens of other cachets.

But the stunner with this cover is that the Churchill-cacheted cover carries the 5d ITU Centenary stamp!!!

Naturally, I made her an offer for the Max Easther covers plus some other covers and bits and pieces which she was happy to accept .... and she donated all the other covers and her stamp collection to the Launceston Philatelic Society for us to sell at our annual charity fund-raiser auction held in conjunction with our club's Christmas break-up - we've been doing this now for about 20 years and the main beneficiary is ... the Examiner's "Empty Stocking Fund".

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Gordon,

A nice find, but I am a little confused about Churchill:
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The above image comes from the last page of your catalogue.

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Oops, I was only looking at Barry's collection.

Use of the wrong stamp/issue is interesting.

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Yes the wrong stamp on the Churchill fdc is unusual.

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A recent find - don't recall having seen this one before ...... 1970 10 cent National Development issue (Oil and Gas) on an envelope used/sent by Mobil Oil Australia Limited, as per front left-hand lower corner. There is also the Mobil logo on the back flap.

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Another find from a collection I bought this week - Two covers from the "Office of the (British Empire and Commonwealth) Games Organising Council" for the Perth, WA games with two different pictorial postmarks dated 22 Nov 1962. The Council's logo is printed on the rear flaps.

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I've never seen those. Nice find. :)
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GYDAM wrote: 23 Sep 2022 17:21 Image

A recent find - don't recall having seen this one before ...... 1970 10 cent National Development issue (Oil and Gas) on an envelope used/sent by Mobil Oil Australia Limited, as per front left-hand lower corner. There is also the Mobil logo on the back flap.

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Excelsior fdc fdc for 10c Oil & Natural Gas stamp postmarked GPO Perth WA fdi - 31st August 1970 to Camberwell Vic.
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Gas & Fuel Corporation fdc for 10c Oil & Natural Gas stamp postmarked GPO Melbourne Vic fdi - 31st August 1970 to Lower Templestowe Vic.
Note the two covers are of the same design but the second cover is without the Excelsior logo.

It would appear that this cover was produced by Ian Baglin & Excelsior fdcs but there is no reference to it in MWP.

One presumes it was a "special" giveaway to valued customers. :D
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GYDAM wrote: 23 Sep 2022 17:28 Image

Another find from a collection I bought this week - Two covers from the "Office of the (British Empire and Commonwealth) Games Organising Council" for the Perth, WA games with two different pictorial postmarks dated 22 Nov 1962. The Council's logo is printed on the rear flaps.

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Gordon,

Another nice find which I also have not seen before.

Would you be kind enough to add them to the Commonwealth Games thread please?


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The Mobil cover without the Excelsior logo reminds me of the 1962 Inland Mission covers signed by Jean Flynn, which were Royal covers minus the logo and the red text below "SOUVENIR COVER".

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