Cape of Good Hope Triangle Stamps identification thread

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Re: Cape of Good Hope Triangle Stamps identification thread

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Hi!

Maybe someone could help me identify this one!?

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Your stamp is an 1855-63 1d rose. It appears to have led a hard life with apparently all three margins added with portions of the design drawn in.

Sorry to be the conveyor of sad news.

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Yes agree with Richard - soaking that in hot water would be a DISASTER! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thanks, I'm here to learn, n.5 SG ?
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I try again with this, thanks for your help :D
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marco6691

Your stamp is an 1855-63 Perkins Bacon 4d blue S.G. 6a, rather than the deep blue. It is the commonest 4d triangular.

The prior stamp was S.G. 5a., rather than 5, the brick-red.

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Thanks ;)
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I have another one
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Another S.G. 6a, the 1855-63 Perkins Bacon white paper 4d blue.

It looks like it has caught part of the marginal watermark across the corner of the stamp at the lower-right of the stamp - looking at the face.

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Information required about this cover - possibly Cape of Good Hope?

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Hello

This cover was included in a larger group of QV GB covers recently acquired.

The addressee is in Cape Town and I was wondering if anyone could offer some more information about the cover as I do not think this is an international cover from Britain, more a local COGH usage.

Unfortunately, there are no postal marks on the rear of the cover. The only mark being the ‘post paid’ on the front. Is this mark a known ‘post paid’ cancel from COGH?

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Addressed to Cape Town, and no country nominated, and with an old '100R' price in Rand, so seems very likely a local CGH cover, and not one from UK.

Seems like the normal serifed POST PAID boxed Cape Of Good Hope pre-adhesive handstamp.

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Definitely, local Cape of Good Hope, marking. Not worth much.

Clerke Burton was the Master of the Supreme Court and many covers can be found addressed to him.
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Whilst not a Triangular, I can give you some information about your cover.

The boxed POST PAID handstamp was applied at Cape Town not surprisingly to indicate that postage had been paid, the handstamp being introduced in 1827.

The cover likely originated in Port Elizabeth since the rate from Port Elizabeth was 11d at the time. Alternatively it might have originated in Plettenberg's Bay which is slightly closer to Cape Town along the way from Port Elizabeth but not nearly as an important origin location.

I hope the above helps you out.

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capetriangle wrote: 05 Sep 2022 00:42 GB789

Whilst not a Triangular, I can give you some information about your cover.

The boxed POST PAID handstamp was applied at Cape Town not surprisingly to indicate that postage had been paid, the handstamp being introduced in 1827.

The cover likely originated in Port Elizabeth since the rate from Port Elizabeth was 11d at the time. Alternatively it might have originated in Plettenberg's Bay which is slightly closer to Cape Town along the way from Port Elizabeth but not nearly as an important origin location.

I hope the above helps you out.

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Richard, how did you interpret the ms marking as 11d?
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GB789

Your cover is from the 'Tennant' correspondence which is certainly scarcer than the 'Clerke Burton' correspondence. However, as pointed out by yannis, the cover has a relatively small value.

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yannis

Simply by inspection, " /" with nothing to the left of the shilling stroke and "11d" with the "d" superscripted.

The rate came from the charts published in the Goldblatt book on pages 212 and 214.

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Thanks, agreed I was looking at the images Glen posted. I see these are different.
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Many thanks for everyone’s help with this, it makes a pleasant change to have an early non-GB cover amongst the hoards of GB ones I buy.

I have several dozen other covers, purchased in the same lot, still to go through so I will add on here any additional COGH examples should I come across them.

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Good Afternoon, Everyone!

I am posting here as advised by an administrator from one of my other threads:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=97783

To summarize: An auctioneer has "lost" stamps I submitted to them for evaluation purposes. I've spent quite some time trying to receive some sort of compensation from them and have finally gotten an offer today that I am prepared to accept.

Before I accept I would like to double check on the COGH SG8a. Previously I did not have an image of the back and had to get one from the person I originally obtained it from years ago. Sadly, these are the only images I have of the stamp.

The comment made on their evaluation (without seeing the back of the stamp) is as follows:

"Gape of Good Hope 1/- in folder. This is a grade II stamps which means it is not in great condition and whilst mentioned as SG 8a the catalogue numbers have changed and I don’t believe this stamp has sideways watermark as SG never would sell it in a folder like this and would have mentioned it in the description. R400 as normal. (This is the valuation in my currency which is +- 30usd)."

The current compensation they are offering me for this stamp is around 30usd. I would like to find out if this is reasonable or if I am being ripped off?

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Kiran

Your stamp is certainly not a stellar example (yet not a horrendous one) but the margin size and any faults are quite difficult to determine from the images.

The "SG 8a" number almost certainly refers to the old number for the deep dark green shade of Perkins Bacon 1855-63 1s., since I can see no evidence of your stamp being watermark sideways and hence much more highly catalogued - £3,000. The catalogue value of the stamp for your shade is almost twice the value for the normal one, the bright yellow-green (£550 vs £300 in my SG to hand - 2019). It is inconceivable that SG would have made a mistake with the shade.

I feel your offer from the auctioneer is a little stingy at U.S.$30 +/- and 1 would demand around $150 +/-. I would imagine that the retail price for the promotional item from SG would have been far higher than $150.

If they balk I would threaten to make a complaint to the local regulatory authorities. Faced with that as an alternative I believe your auctioneer would only be too happy to settle.

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Buyers beware - this current listing by seller Citystampmontreal , described as "extra fine used" , has been faked. The "postmark" appears to be painted on by hand, to conceal the remnants of a partly cleaned-off fiscal pen cancellation, visible as several pale brown lines in the background (very common on the triangles).
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I alerted the seller 3 days ago, but he has not altered his misleading title and description.

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Tragically the above item has sold for U.S.$329.

I became acquainted with the owner of City Stamp Montreal a few years ago and am surprised of his actions concerning this obviously pen cancelled fiscally used stamp.

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No, not sold ; appears to have eventually been taken down, citing "no longer available". Let's hope that should have read "due to an error in the listing" and he didn't sell it off Ebay. I sent him a reminder earlier today, so perhaps that triggered the removal.
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I must have misread the ebay entry. My apologies.

If it was taken down as a result of your questioning it seems that my acquaintance, whose name I have forgotten, has done the honorable thing.

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Edit: The gentleman's name is Robert Cooperman.
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