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Seeking Kosovo, Transnistria or Abkhazia covers

Post by WongHenry »

Hi, I come from Hong Kong :)

Does anyone come from Kosovo, Transnistria or Abkhazia?

I want to get covers from those places
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Kosovo is not problem, as from the period that they start with using "Kosovo Republic" inscription, because quantity printed.
Problematic come UN period of, when postage stamp come with UN inscription, and quantity was relatively small.

Now, all depend what You wish to have in collection, Kosovo used cover/card from In't Forces under UN, Kosovo under UN postage stamp inscription, Kosovo as "independent" or last one option Kosovo with LEGAL postage stamp of Serbia (as we know, Kosovo is still Serbian Autonomy, and there is used cover, from part where Serbian Post still operate).

In any way, I have some in stock.

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Sorry to write it but it's impossible to receive any Transnistria stamps on a cover sent to a foreign destination - all their stamps are only valid within the Transnistria's territory :(
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vicaf60 wrote:Sorry to write it but it's impossible to receive any Transnistria stamps on a cover sent to a foreign destination - all their stamps are only valid within the Transnistria's territory :(
Same for Abkhazia.
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Are that mean, that citizen of Transnistria and Abhazia are unable to communicate by snail-mail with other countries?

Hard to understand, as even Kosovo (as non-independent, without own "stable" postal system), are able to communicate with foreign countries by post.

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milco wrote:Are that mean, that citizen of Transnistria and Abhazia are unable to communicate by snail-mail with other countries?
Citizens from Transnistria have to use Moldovan stamps and citizens from Abkhazia have to use Russian stamps for international mail.

As Kosovo in an independent country their stamps are recognized internationally.

PS: Independent, that's my opinion about Kosovo. Now lets get back to WongHenry's question and leave our further political opinions out of this.
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vicaf60 wrote:Sorry to write it but it's impossible to receive any Transnistria stamps on a cover sent to a foreign destination - all their stamps are only valid within the Transnistria's territory :(
Not so - certainly at one time. Transnistria stamps ARE only valid within the territory but covers to other parts of Moldova and to the rest of the world must bear Moldovan stamps. These may be added in addition to PMR stamps. I can't find a coverimage at present but will look for one.
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norvic wrote:These may be added in addition to PMR stamps.
Quite so but this makes them (PMR stamps I mean) a kind of labels or cinderellas as the real postage is paid with Moldovian stamps. A friend of mine lives in Bendery, and I used to ask him to send me a cover or a postcard with PMR stamp(s) on it, but it happened to be impossible :(
I say nothing about the early period just when the PMR emerged and issued its first stamps. Those might have been used on mail sent abroad (I don't know if it is so as it's outside my philatelic interests and I've never gone too deep into the matter :) ) as there existed a strong support from Russia. Things are a bit different now, and modern PMR stamps are somewhat mythical - my friend had to buy the Sochi Winter Olympics souvenir sheet and mini sheet at a commercial prise (5 US dollars each) as they were not available at post offices.
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vicaf60 wrote: Quite so but this makes them (PMR stamps I mean) a kind of labels or cinderellas as the real postage is paid with Moldovian stamps. A friend of mine lives in Bendery, and I used to ask him to send me a cover or a postcard with PMR stamp(s) on it, but it happened to be impossible :(
I say nothing about the early period just when the PMR emerged and issued its first stamps. Those might have been used on mail sent abroad (I don't know if it is so as it's outside my philatelic interests and I've never gone too deep into the matter :) ) as there existed a strong support from Russia. Things are a bit different now, and modern PMR stamps are somewhat mythical - my friend had to buy the Sochi Winter Olympics souvenir sheet and mini sheet at a commercial prise (5 US dollars each) as they were not available at post offices.
It is stupidness of PMR post. They have a habit to make low price at stamps, due to they use it in inner post, but high price for mini sheets. And if you want to have the whole seria you should pay usually something about 10$. And quality of stamps is not so good.
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As promised, although these are internal covers within PMR, not evento Moldova.


From Tiraspol to Dubossari, 21 December 1994, 100 rouble rate.
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Rybnitsa to Dubossari , 2300r, - 7 x 30,+ 20r

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Dubossari local, 60r

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My friend showed me this scan with stamps of Moldova and Transnistria =)
But when I'd asked to make the same at my hometown postoffice they refused (( I'd clued transnistrian stamps on postcard, but they didn't stamp them

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Hi,

this is an old one, but in 1995 I got this postal stationery from Tiraspol with PMR-stamp and additional Moldovo-stamp. It was really transported from Transnistria to Germany.

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But I gues, the 0.90 L was the postal rate for a letter from Moldovo to Germany during that time. The PMR-stamp was just not noticed by post officers.

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mpstamps wrote:But I gues, the 0.90 L was the postal rate for a letter from Moldovo to Germany during that time. The PMR-stamp was just not noticed by post officers.
I suppose it needs more material (international covers from PMR) andfurther research. I quite might be that in the early years, to send a letter abroad from Transnistria you needed to apply a PMR stamp (I suppose A was a rate for letters within the country) and a Moldova stamps to pay the international leg. A kind of zemstvo stamps in the old Russia.
But this is nothing more but my speculation.
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Nagorno Karabakh can be included as a stamp-issuing 'unrecognised state'...and in their case, international outgoing mail has been able to get through, franked with their own stamps.
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aethelwulf wrote:Nagorno Karabakh can be included as a stamp-issuing 'unrecognised state'...and in their case, international outgoing mail has been able to get through, franked with their own stamps.
And South Ossetia too.

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I have a few commercial covers from Kosovo - UNMIK period as well as dual frankings of Kosovo Republic - UNMIK stamps on same cover. Send me an email lnadybal - at- philatelic.info and I'll send scans or visit www.kosovostamps.com
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Finally, I've got a real international letter from Transnistria (thanks to my beer label collector friends :D )
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In spite of "declared independence", the PMR uses Moldova stamps and Moldovan type calendar date stamps for international mail.

I removed personal details from the scan (as I have no permission from the sender and the receiver to disclose them).
The letter was sent from Bendery 2 Post Office within Transnistria (the PMR) on March 27, 2019:
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It was marked at a sorting centre in Molvoda on March 30, 2019 (unfortunately, I can't read the name of the SPO):
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and received in Belarus, in Svetlogorsk, Homel region, on April 5, 2019:
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Just one week in transit - not bad for an unrecognized country :D

For internal mail (within the Republic) they use cancellers with the text in Russian.
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aethelwulf wrote:Nagorno Karabakh can be included as a stamp-issuing 'unrecognised state'...and in their case, international outgoing mail has been able to get through, franked with their own stamps.
I didn't notice this when posted; Nagorno-Karabakh earliest stamps are listed in Gibbons catalogue and I have at least one cover used with a NK stamp alone to the UK.
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I tried writing to South Ossetia and sending cash and IRC to buy some stamps, and got these. Happy to sell the lot, including the stamps and IRC, if you'd like the collection. PM me, and we can discuss a trade.

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South Ossetia 2014 stamps.
Top row: 20th anniversary of the signing of Treaty of Friendship with Transnistria.

Wikipedia wrote:The Republic of South Ossetia, or Tskhinvali Region, is a disputed territory in the South Caucasus, in the northern part of the internationally-recognised Georgian territory. It has a population of 53,000 people who live in an area of 3,900 sq km, south of the Russian Caucasus, with 30,000 living in Tskhinvali. The separatist polity, Republic of South Ossetia (or the State of Alania), is recognised as a state by Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Nauru, and Syria. While Georgia lacks control over South Ossetia, the Georgian government and most members of the United Nations consider the territory part of Georgia, whose constitution designates the area as "the former autonomous district of South Ossetia", in reference to the former Soviet autonomous oblast disbanded in 1990.
Some philatelists dismiss South Ossetia's stamps as "wallpaper", but they are very well produced, and presumably serve on inland mail for the locals. But because the former ruler Georgia has complained about their stamps to the UPU (in consequence of which the UPU circularised its members that South Ossetia stamps should be regarded as "illegal"), they don't seem to be used on foreign mail, except to those lands that recognise them.

I've been unable to decipher what the stamp in the second row above is about: possibly the 240th anniversary of some significant proclamation about South Ossetia, from a photo taken at the time(?) :twisted:

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South Ossetia 2013 stamps.

I decided to try to get some of these stamps, so a few months ago, I sent a letter (in Russian, kindly translated for me by Google Translate) to The Postmaster, Tskhinvali, South Ossetia, via Moscow, Russian Federation, and then received a nice envelope with no letter but with the stamps above.

In my letter, I requested some stamps, and enclosed a few USA currency notes and an old international reply coupon.

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South Ossetia 2018 cover to New Zealand, with Tskinval postmark of 31st August 2018.

The large blue handstamp reads SERVICE, evidently marking the cover as Official and exempt from needing stamps.

They evidently decided my IRC was too obsolete to bother with, so returned it, after having datestamped it with the same Tskhinval postmark, so it is part of the South Ossetia collection too!

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South Ossetia: international reply coupon, with Tskhinval destination postmark of 31st August 2018. Office of origin postmark is Westmont, Illinois, 20th January 1983, 35 years earlier.
Wikipedia wrote:South Ossetia declared independence from the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1991. The Georgian government responded by abolishing South Ossetia's autonomy and trying to re-establish its control over the region by force. The crisis escalation led to the 1991–92 South Ossetia War. Georgian fighting against those controlling South Ossetia occurred on two other occasions, in 2004 and 2008. The latter conflict led to the Russo–Georgian War, during which Ossetian and Russian forces gained full de facto control of the territory of the former South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast. In the wake of the 2008 war, Georgia and a significant part of the international community consider South Ossetia to be occupied by the Russian military.

South Ossetia relies heavily on military, political and financial aid from Russia.

South Ossetia, Transnistria, Artsakh, and Abkhazia are sometimes referred to as post-Soviet "frozen conflict" zones.
Reuters wrote:Georgia's northern border is defined by the mountain range that runs through the middle of the Caucasus region. South Ossetia lies to the south of the mountains, firmly within Georgia itself, and only a short drive from its capital city. It maintains close ties with the neighbouring Russian region of North Ossetia, on the north side of the mountains.

The majority of the roughly 70,000 people are ethnically distinct from Georgians, and speak their own language, related to Farsi. They use the Russian rouble as their currency and almost all the population hold Russian passports.
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Panterra wrote:They evidently decided my IRC was too obsolete to bother with, so returned it, after having datestamped it with the same Tskhinval postmark, so it is part of the South Ossetia collection too!
IRCs are rendered void when a new design is issued...at least that's what is done now. I found a batch of the previous series recently...the reverse has an expiry date printed on it (I found them too late... :roll: ).
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aethelwulf wrote:Nagorno Karabakh can be included as a stamp-issuing 'unrecognised state'...and in their case, international outgoing mail has been able to get through, franked with their own stamps.
Correct, here is one I received:

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WongHenry wrote:Hi, I come from Hong Kong :)

Does anyone come from Kosovo, Transnistria or Abkhazia?

I want to get covers from those places
Hello,
At Delcampe I have my shop under nickname frido1.
There I have many covers from Kosovo.You can buy them if interested and I shall send you my invoice.
Kind regards,
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Refreshing the topic :) Currently I am interested in mint Transnistrian postage stamps, especially with historical themes and state symbols. I am open to swapping stamps related to your subject (mainly Polish).
Themes of interest - European wars and battles from the Middle Ages to the 19th century: especially the Napoleonic Wars and commemoratives of Napoleon Bonaparte, historical national heroes, european state symbols and maps. Currently also interested in postage stamps from Transnistria.
In exchange I can send you postage stamps, FDC or postcards in your subject (mainly Polish).
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Jontek wrote: 22 Sep 2022 07:16 Refreshing the topic :) Currently I am interested in mint Transnistrian postage stamps, especially with historical themes and state symbols. I am open to swapping stamps related to your subject (mainly Polish).
I think you might need this in your search for PMR postage stamps.
https://catalogue.markapmr.ru/
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Yes Marochkin, I know this catalog :ugeek: , but thank you anyway :)
Themes of interest - European wars and battles from the Middle Ages to the 19th century: especially the Napoleonic Wars and commemoratives of Napoleon Bonaparte, historical national heroes, european state symbols and maps. Currently also interested in postage stamps from Transnistria.
In exchange I can send you postage stamps, FDC or postcards in your subject (mainly Polish).
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