Banging the drum for the Uglies - discuss Indian States stamps

[sagi2917]

These Faridkot items are ‘reprints’ or ‘official imitations’ of the genuine handstamped issues

They come in a range of colours which were never issued, and are of minimal value.

Thank you for the details.

[sagi2917]

Please advise if these are also reprints or are these forgeries

[peterh]

Yes, these Faridkot items are of similar status to the previous two.

[pdswee]

Looking to identify this stamp. Seems to be on fibrous, ribbed paper.

[RoCe]

Looking to identify this stamp. Seems to be on fibrous, ribbed paper.

This stamp is from Jammu&Kashmir, but it is a forgery (or reprint in better case). Not a genuine postage stamp, no value. Sorry.

[sagi2917]

Please advise if these Jind postage stamps are genuine

[sagi2917]

Please advise if this Nandgaon postage stamp is genuine

[peterh]

Please advise if these Jind postage stamps are genuine

Yes, these are OK. Probably thin yellowish wove paper (SG J15). There is also the thick laid paper printing (SG J26) and the much more scarce thick white wove (SG J32).

[sagi2917]

Please advise if these Jind postage stamps are genuine

Yes, these are OK. Probably thin yellowish wove paper (SG J15). There is also the thick laid paper printing (SG J26) and the much more scarce thick white wove (SG J32).

Thank you peterh for your advise

[peterh]

Please advise if this Nandgaon postage stamp is genuine

This appears to be a genuine example of SG O4, but the cancellation is CTO/cancelled by favour, because these stamps were not valid after 31 December 1894.

[mukulgarga]

First philetelic purchase after a gap of almost 3 years.

J&K SG 22 4 anna emerald green, wtr colour on native paper.

[vijaysingh]

I got the below Gwalior set for ₹300 (about 4 usd) in a sale.

There are some SG values written on it, but it can be misleading.

Any thoughts from the forum on the genuineness and worth of these stamps. Any unique item in the set.

KGV Gwalior Overprint

[peterh]

First philetelic purchase after a gap of almost 3 years.

J&K SG 22 4 anna emerald green, wtr colour on native paper.

Nice buy Mukul. I was one of the underbidders on this lot, but was nowhere near bold enough.

By the way, not sure if your account has been hacked, but there is a link in your signature to a website selling Viagra.

[peterh]

I got the below Gwalior set for ₹300 (about 4 usd) in a sale.

There are some SG values written on it, but it can be misleading.

Any thoughts from the forum on the genuineness and worth of these stamps. Any unique item in the set.

They look OK, but nothing special there - probably worth about what you paid.

[mukulgarga]

First philetelic purchase after a gap of almost 3 years.

J&K SG 22 4 anna emerald green, wtr colour on native paper.

Nice buy Mukul. I was one of the underbidders on this lot, but was nowhere near bold enough.

By the way, not sure if your account has been hacked, but there is a link in your signature to a website selling Viagra.

Thanks Peterh. The stamp has vertical and horizontal creases but even then appears cheap at £180. Additionally I get a SG14 ½ anna black and a block of 20 of SG08 free as bonus besides other tit bits in the lot.
Yes account seems to be hacked. I have my hands full of my ownwork so no time selling Viagra.

[banknoteguy]

I would be interested in opinions on whether the image below is an original SG36 1a oil or a reprint. Paper looks right for an original just not sure it is a blurred enough print for an original.

SG36 or reprint?

[peterh]

If Roman (RoCe) sees this, I’m sure he will comment, but in my opinion this is a reprint.

[banknoteguy]

I had my doubts. Thanks for the opinion.

[RoCe]

First philetelic purchase after a gap of almost 3 years.

J&K SG 22 4 anna emerald green, wtr colour on native paper.

Nice buy Mukul. I was one of the underbidders on this lot, but was nowhere near bold enough.

By the way, not sure if your account has been hacked, but there is a link in your signature to a website selling Viagra.

Thanks Peterh. The stamp has vertical and horizontal creases but even then appears cheap at £180. Additionally I get a SG14 ½ anna black and a block of 20 of SG08 free as bonus besides other tit bits in the lot.
Yes account seems to be hacked. I have my hands full of my ownwork so no time selling Viagra.

Hi Mukul, congratulation to your purchase! Nice and rare item for a very reasonable price. This 4 Anna stamp is by far the rarest from the SG 20-22 group.

[RoCe]

If Roman (RoCe) sees this, I’m sure he will comment, but in my opinion this is a reprint.

I agree with Peter - this stamps falls into cathegory called reprints. Stamps commonly accepted as genuine have blurred impression, darker shade and are on unusually rough paper. Reprints are thinner and printed on more smoothly surfaced paper. Good collection of genuine items is in the Hellrigl collection:
https://www.museumofphilately.com/collection/19/38

In reality, however, situation is not black and white. Accepted characteristics of genuine stamps are those introduced by Sefi&Mortimer. Although Sefi&Mortimer claim that they examined couple of used examples in sage-green colour, I have seen just one or two. Theoretically, clearer printing and smoother paper don´t necessarily need to mean reprint and the stamp can be categorized as non-postal or experimental printing. Anyway, these "reprints" are rather common.

[BrianCC23]

These are the first stamps I've purchased in over 45 years! And as my original collection is long lost, these are the start of the new one. Dhar 1/2 Pie from 1897. I think these were printed in 2 rows of 5 and these 4 are the left hand edge of a sheet. In my eyes, these are really attractive and interesting looking stamps.

I'm well aware of fakes and forgeries of the Indian States, these came from a dealer who used to have a real shop, so I trusted they were genuine. Looking online, there are some with quite different paper. However, based on comparing the sources, I believe these are the genuine paper. I'd appreciate opinion of the experts here!

Also, here's something strange. I noticed these for sale on Etsy the other day. First glance, they do look similar to mine. Looking closer, they are absolutely identical! Down to every fibre, every crease, every dot of ink. Even the mount line is in exactly the same place. The image I used is from the original dealer site, it looks like someone has copied that image and is using it. I messaged them asking what they are up to and telling them they can't sell these stamps, because they are mine. Strange feeling seeing something of yours up for sale somewhere else.

Any ideas what is going on here, because clearly this seller can't really have these particular stamps for sale? All I could think of is they have a block of 4 and just used somebody elses image. Or just wanting to take money and offer nothing in return.

BTW I did not pay anywhere near the price they are asking. And I am super-keen to acquire the rest of the set.
An interesting welcome to the wild world of the stamps of the Indian States.

[peterh]

Brian - congratulations on being a new recruit to the ranks of Indian States collectors

Your block of Dhar looks perfectly legitimate, and the eBay seller is trustworthy.

The image on Etsy has clearly been lifted from the eBay listing and one can only assume that the alleged seller there is acting fraudulently. My understanding of Etsy in general is that it's a site to avoid for stamps.

[sagi2917]

This appears to be a genuine example of SG O4, but the cancellation is CTO/cancelled by favour, because these stamps were not valid after 31 December 1894.

Thank you peterh once again. Bought both Nandgaon and Jind stamps to fill the gap in my one stamp per entity collection.