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GB Decimal Machin stamps paying correct rates on covers etc

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I thought we had a specific thread for this (maybe they are in "Nice covers!") so here as promised several times are some modernish GB covers with high values paying the right rates.

The stamps are on labels or small envelopes used as address labels on packets - much easier to show!

England 65p pair (SG EN4) issued 23 April 2001 replaced 4 July 2002, used PETERBOROUGH 3 NOV 2001
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GB Machins - 40p (Y1704), 45p (Y1715) both issued 25 April 2000, and £1 violet (Y1725) issued 22 August 1995 replaced 2007. Used as £1.85 rate PETERBOROUGH 30 Oct 2001
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Three more:
£1.50 Recess (Y1800) (issued 1999) and 2p (Y1668) for £1.52 rate used CAMBRIDGE Feb 2002
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£1.50 Recess (Y1800) and 10p (Y1676) for £1.60 rate used CAMBRIDGE 22 Oct 2002
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£1.50 Recess (Y1800), 20p (Y1680), and 4p (Y1669) for £1.74 rate used PETERBOROUGH 1 Nov 2001
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(Some time I'll dig out the rate leaflets and add what weight these were carrying!)
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And here's an outgoing one to a music fan in Brazil - I had no thought that a Machin fan might even get a chance at the cover so I used The Clash and New Order stamps from the PSB as those were the bands he wanted mint stamps of:
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The current 100gr printed paper surface rate from Britain to Europe is 99p, postage paid here by

1st class Large (pre-security) = 66p
2nd class (small) (pre-security) = 32p
current 1p with 2 phosphor bands - total 99p.

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The printing at lower right is from mechanised sorting in Holland (postcode 4741DL, 24 house number), but the red bar-codes are British.
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Surface mail printed paper UK - Canada, > 100 <150 g rate is £1.32. One way to pay for this would be with a £1 and a 2nd class (32p) stamp, but the other way to use the minimum number of stamps is 2 x 1st class Large letter, currently 66p each.

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Inevitably heavier items will have some creases, so I can live with this. Especially as I posted it on 22 November, it arrived 26 November, Eric returned it 1 December, and it got back here on 7 December - and the outward journey was supposed to be surface! Airmail would have cost £2.38.
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Surface mail printed paper rate UK - Thailand 70gr rate is 99p, paid here with the 97p England country stamp and a 2p Machin.

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I think the rubbing at top left (disrupting the PRINTED PAPER endorsement) may be because somebody added an airmail label and then removed it (I'm almost certain it wasn't me!)
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As promised in the 'Commemoratives' thread, some Machins used for the airmail rate to Tamil Nadu, India, in 1992

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In 1993 it appears that the Forces Mail service was permitted (or the sender only then realised that it was OK*:

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* Correction, I have just found that one of these is dated November 1992, so I will have to do some more research.
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Here's a couple of quick Machin commercial covers I grabbed out my box to help this thread along. Note, that I try to have covers where all the Machins are within their period of availability from the PO/Bureau (ie not using 0.5p stamps in 2010).

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Never seen one of these receipts before
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If there is an interest I might put all the solo uses of machins up against my master spreadsheet - I find it interesting - and that doesn't include gong into any varieties (different printers, phopshers, perfs etc)

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I like the Parcelforce form - the stamps pay the additional Compensation Fee, the postage being on the parcel. (In fact I like all forms!)

There should be something in your scanning software which enables you to crop down to the size of the cover; mine also has a configure button which allows me to rotate 90º to show long items the right way round. Check yours out, they look much better that way!
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Here's one from another thread.

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This shows the surcharge on an underpaid item, paid for using stamps on the notification card. These cards should not subsequently leave the Sorting Office, but the card was delivered instead of the underpaid item!

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Here's the pre-decimal Machins that I have. Love the colours. The period the following are applicable to are 5/2/68 - 14/2/71.

9d postcard to Australia. This is underpaid by 1d as Zone C is 10d. 9d was Zone B.
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1s6d airmail letter to USA Zone B upto 1/2oz. Correctly rated.
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2s1d airmail letter to USA Zone B for 1/2oz - 1oz. Underpaid by 11d. Expect was incorrectly charged for Zone A which rates at 2s0d.
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1s6d airmail letter to USA Zone B upto 1/2oz. Correctly rated.
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2s0d airmail letter to USA Zone B for 1/2oz - 1oz. Correctly rated.
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1s10d airmail letter to USA Zone B upto 1/2oz. Overpaid by 3d. May have been paying the Zone C rate of 1s9d which would have been a 1d overpayment.
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1s6d airmail letter to USA Zone B upto 1/2oz. Correctly rated.
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1s9d airmail letter to Australia Zone C upto 1/2oz. Correctly rated.
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7s0d airmail letter to Australia Zone C 1.5oz - 2oz. Correctly rated.
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4s6d airmail letter to USA Zone B 1oz - 1.5oz. Correctly rated.
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An interesting part of this series is seeing these stamps actually being used for what they were issued for - ie solo use. To see if there is any interest I'll just put a couple of uses for the 4p Orche Brown up. But to illustrate, here are all the uses it did as well.

4p UK 1st Class Letter 2 - 4oz 6-Mar-72 9-Sep-73
4p UK 1st Class Printed Papers 2 - 4oz 6-Mar-72 9-Sep-73
4p UK 2nd Class Letter 2 - 4oz 10-Sep-73 23-Jun-74
4p UK 2nd Class Printed Papers 2 - 4oz 10-Sep-73 23-Jun-74
4p International Airmail Letter Europe up to 1oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
4p International Airmail Newspaper Europe 1 - 2oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
4p International Airmail Newspaper Europe up to 1oz 24-Jun-74 16-Mar-75
4p International Airmail Newspaper Zone A 4 - 8oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
4p International Airmail Newspaper Zone A 1 - 2oz 24-Jun-74 16-Mar-75
4p International Airmail Newspaper Zone B 1 - 2oz 1-Jul-71 9-Sep-73
4p International Airmail Newspaper Zone C 1 - 2oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
4p International Airmail Postcard Europe 10-Sep-73 16-Mar-75
4p International Airmail Postcard Zone A 10-Sep-73 16-Mar-75
4p International Airmail Postcard Zone B 15-Feb-71 9-Sep-73
4p International Airmail Postcard Zone C 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
4p International Airmail Printed Papers Europe up to 1oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
4p International Airmail Printed Papers Zone B up to ½oz 1-Jul-71 16-Mar-75
4p International Surface Letter Foreign up to 1oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
4p International Surface Postcard Europe 10-Sep-73 16-Mar-75
4p International Surface Postcard Foreign 10-Sep-73 16-Mar-75
4p International Surface Printed Papers World 1 - 2oz 1-Jul-71 23-Jun-74
4p International Surface Printed Papers Reduced World 4 - 8oz 1-Jul-71 9-Sep-73
4p International Surface Printed Papers Reduced World up to 1oz 17-Mar-75 28-Sep-75
4p International Surface Printed Papers Reduced World up to 20g 29-Sep-75 4-Jan-76
4p Forces Surface Printed papers World up to 20g 29-Sep-75 08-Feb-77

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Nice to see.
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The 10p value has been around from the start having a specific use. Nowadays it exists as a make-up value. The various uses to which the 10p was put:

10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Letter Europe 2 - 4oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Letter Gibraltar Malta Cyprus 6 - 8oz 1-Jul-71 10-Aug-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Letter Zone A ½ - 1oz 15-Feb-71 10-Aug-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Newspaper Europe 4 - 8oz 1-Jul-71 10-Aug-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Newspaper Zone C 4 - 8oz 1-Jul-71 10-Aug-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Printed Papers Europe 2 - 4oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Printed Papers Zone A 1 ½ - 2oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Airmail Printed Papers Zone C ½ - 1oz 1-Jul-71 10-Aug-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Surface Letter Brit Cwth 4 - 8oz 1-Jul-71 10-Aug-71
10p Cerise (Large) International Surface Letter Foreign 2 - 4oz 15-Feb-71 30-Jun-71

10p Terracotta & Orange Brown UK 1st Class Letter 6 - 8oz 10-Sep-73 23-Jun-74
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown UK 1st Class Letter 4 - 6oz 24-Jun-74 16-Mar-75
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown UK 1st Class Letter 2 - 4oz 17-Mar-75 28-Sep-75
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown UK 1st Class Printed Papers 6 - 8oz 10-Sep-73 23-Jun-74
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown UK 1st Class Printed Papers 4 - 6oz 24-Jun-74 16-Mar-75
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown UK 1st Class Printed Papers 2 - 4oz 17-Mar-75 28-Sep-75
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Letter Europe up to 20g 24-Mar-76 12-Jun-77
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Letter Gibraltar Malta Cyprus 6 - 8oz 11-Aug-71 9-Sep-73
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Letter Zone A ½ - 1oz 11-Aug-71 9-Sep-73
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Letter Zone B up to ½oz 17-Mar-75 28-Sep-75
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Letter Zone C up to ½oz 10-Sep-73 16-Mar-75
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Europe 4 - 8oz 11-Aug-71 23-Jun-74
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone A 2 - 4oz 17-Mar-75 28-Sep-75
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone A 15 - 30g 29-Sep-75 24-Mar-76
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone B 15 - 30g 29-Sep-75 24-Mar-76
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone C 4 - 8oz 11-Aug-71 9-Sep-73
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Postcard Zone C 29-Sep-75 24-Mar-76
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Printed Papers Europe up to 20g 29-Sep-75 24-Mar-76
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Airmail Printed Papers Zone C ½ - 1oz 11-Aug-71 9-Sep-73
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Surface Letter World up to 20g 29-Sep-75 24-Mar-76
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Surface Letter Brit Cwth 4 - 8oz 11-Aug-71 9-Sep-73
10p Terracotta & Orange Brown International Surface Printed Papers World 50 - 100g 5-Jan-76 24-Mar-76

10p Orange Brown UK 1st Class Letter up to 60g 20-Aug-79 3-Feb-80
10p Orange Brown UK 1st Class Postcard 20-Aug-79 3-Feb-80
10p Orange Brown UK 1st Class Printed Papers up to 60g 20-Aug-79 3-Feb-80
10p Orange Brown UK 2nd Class Letter up to 60g 4-Feb-80 25-Jun-81
10p Orange Brown UK 2nd Class Postcard 4-Feb-80 25-Jun-81
10p Orange Brown UK 2nd Class Printed Papers up to 60g 4-Feb-80 25-Jun-81
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Letter Europe up to 20g 25-Mar-76 12-Jun-77
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone A 15 - 30g 25-Mar-76 12-Jun-77
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone B 15 - 30g 25-Mar-76 12-Jun-77
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone B 10 - 20g 20-Aug-79 3-Feb-80
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Newspaper Zone B 20 - 30g 13-Jun-77 19-Aug-79
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Postcard Zone B 13-Jun-77 19-Aug-79
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Postcard Zone C 25-Mar-76 12-Jun-77
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Printed Papers Europe up to 20g 25-Mar-76 12-Jun-77
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Printed Papers Zone A up to 10g 4-Feb-80 25-Jan-81
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Printed Papers Zone A 10 - 20g 13-Jun-77 19-Aug-79
10p Orange Brown International Airmail Printed Papers Zone C up to 10g 20-Aug-79 3-Feb-80
10p Orange Brown International Surface Letter World up to 20g 25-Mar-76 12-Jun-77
10p Orange Brown International Surface Printed Papers World 50 - 100g 25-Mar-76 25-Apr-76
10p Orange Brown International Surface Printed Papers World 20 - 50g 26-Apr-76 12-Jun-77
10p Orange Brown Forces Surface Letter World up to 60g 04-Feb-80 31-Jan-82
10p Orange Brown Forces Airmail Letter Europe up to 60g 20-Aug-79 03-Feb-80
10p Orange Brown Forces Airmail Letter ROW (non Europe) up to 40g 20-Aug-79 03-Feb-80
10p Orange Brown Forces Airmail Postcard World 20-Aug-79 03-Feb-80

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In today's mail, a newsletter from the BPMA paid at £1.23 for the up to 500g 2nd class rate using 5p & 50p with ordinary gum (50p SA has been out for over 2 years), and the 68p self-adhesive issued this year.

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Noted on <a href=https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330589461880>eBay</a> tonight sold for £21 the pair (not mine, although I have saved them to my PB album now). Started at £1, 7 bids (bidders IDs private)

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After 2 hours of rummaging through boxes of covers at a fair I found this beauty - in my eyes...I assume using the machin stamp as evidence of fee paid, though one of our UK people may be able to be more accurate...
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Yes, at the time 2d stamp duty applied to a lot of transactions including cheques - you had to buy them from the bank!

This stamp duty was dropped on decimalisation in 1971.
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Here is one Ian (Norvic) had on another thread - the only use of this SD machin that I have seen...

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Also posted on the gutters thread. One of those covers which is both commercial and philatelic. It's doing its job in period but only a philatelist has gutters, as you can't get them from your local PO. Name removed to protect the innocent...

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When I went to the PO to buy some Christmas stamps and asked for 2 sheets I was reminded that they do indeed have gutters for those, in that the sheets are twinned sheets of 25. But of course with the matrix removed they cannot be used in the same way as those shown on the cover above.

Why, though, do they send double-sheets of 50 to POs? The low-value and some other self-adhesive definitives are in sheets of 25 which fit neatly into the counter book (not that these have been delivered to most counters yet):

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Great block Norvic, I like that colour, very Royal looking! Maybe it is just the scan, but it looks to me that the stamps appear to be slightly raised above the surrounding selvedge, almost as if they were all stuck to the same piece of paper?

I also have just recently received a nice Royal Mail 'Signed For' letter, jam packed with goodies!

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Funny thing was after making the journey across the pond, it almost got lost in my local Post Office. It was misfiled and took nearly ½ an hour to find it!

Have a Good One, :D

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The 1p stamps in my image are at the same level as the side strips but the intervening paper around the stamps (known in Machin circles as the matrix) is stripped off. Booklets were originally matrix intact, then they were matrix stripped. The first SA Christmas stamps were intact, but later ones removed except for the 50 x 1st class sent to staff with their Christmas card. (Though this year the story is by no means as simple.)

Your cover shows another good example of an item not having the stamps cancelled when they should be. Registered (now SD, AAX & ISF) mail always had to be cancelled at the counter but nowadays a lot of the new staff at outsourced POs don't seem to know that. Fortunately only the two at the bottom seem to have biro marks.
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Here a few covers.....

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and a few more covers....

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and more covers....

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The last covers for today.....

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Some very nice covers there - I especially like the £1, E & airmail solo, and the ISF with the £5 value, so hard to find (but I shall be offering some here before long!)
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Just received this cover....

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Three different versions of the 75p :D
I had some similar covers sent outside the UK covered in stamps. As they are hardly collectable as covers - philatelic, non-contemporary usage - I will be offering some VFU Machins soon :D
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A selection of recent arrivals:

GB - Australia £1.10 rate 2011 with £1 security Machin from 2009 printing and gummed 10p

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GB - Australia £1.10 rate using new value issued March 2011 (note Welsh Airmail label)

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2011 GB - Bosnia Herzegovina 68p rate with 50p & 2 x 9p. The 50p is non-security, which suggests that this might be philatelic as the 50p self-adhesive ought to be on sale, but might not be!

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And using the new 68p self-adhesive 2011
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GB- Germany registered letter....
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Hi asmodeus

You've got a few nice solo uses there. If you any that you don't want let me know and I'll try to come to some arrangement with you.

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The return of Penny Postage in 1988 ... :lol: :lol:
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The two differing rates for Xmas cards to Australia this year. I've received a couple but with no postmark at all - at least these have the date stamp and the postage stamps are defaced (just):
76p and 110p
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1999 to USA with a 1st Class stamp
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1984 airmail to USA with 7p and regional 13½p
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Both covers 1999 airmail to USA with 43p
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Here are a few to Australia. Not sure about the rates though.

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Here's one I posted to a customer in Australia.

Not high values and obviously philatelic, with

5p Self-adhesive from William Morris PS book
5p & 10p gummed from WWF PSB
1st class from Machin Centenary Sheet
5p from Aerial post PSB
17p & 22p from sheets - which are very similar in colour, much closer than it appears in the scan!

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Only part of the cover, but cropped so that the date is easy to read - 13 I 2012, Glasgow. Official first day of issue 6 February 2012.

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norvic wrote:Only part of the cover, but cropped so that the date is easy to read - 13 I 2012, Glasgow. Official first day of issue 6 February 2012.

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Some more from the Crossword Mailbags. Readers in Northern Ireland, buying the Irish edition of the newspaper, send their entries to a Dublin address. The entries are bagged and sent on to the UK processing centre:

The 68p Machin, paying the 20g European rate.
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The 68p Northern Ireland country definitive, ditto.
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http://www.gbps.org.uk/publications/journal/pdfs/gbj-39-2.pdf for an excellent 2001 article on Machin postal history (2nd article in the magazine) by Michael Lockton FRPSL
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Rod Perry wrote:Machins.
Oh, and if anyone has intact, contemporary commercial postal articles bearing Machin £1.33 or £1.41 please post scans here. I'm a buyer; paying a premium over used price.

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SGY1725c QEII £1.46:-

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This came in the mail today....

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You can see the date, even if you can't see where it was posted, so it's a nice solo use £1.28 - there won't be many of those in the UK at present!
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Jack wrote:http://www.gbps.org.uk/publications/journal/pdfs/gbj-39-2.pdf for an excellent 2001 article on Machin postal history (2nd article in the magazine) by Michael Lockton FRPSL
Excellent reading. Thank you. Tony
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It was through that article maybe 7 years ago that i slowly started to collect solo use of Machins.

Unfortunately my internet supplier and Photobucket are not in tune so unable to load scans of the latest different weight increments of solo Machin covers to Australia that came through the post last week (cousins in Uk remembered my birthday!)

Luckily New12collector has managed to scan the £1.28 for us already!
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Think it's working now - £1.90 solo Machin cover paying airmail letter 20-40g to anywhere in the world, valid from 30/04/12 - and then a machin combination cover equal to £1.90 (1st NVI is currently worth 60p)
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When a postage rate is valid for only 12 months (or 11 this year) it makes getting relevant covers all the more difficult, especially with contemporary stamps. If the lower cover is after 2011 all the stamps should be self-adhesive - but I suspect the 10p & 20p might not be; distribution of the new ones has been slow.

On the other hand, with the new low values now having security overprints, finding the self-adhesive ones without may be a challenge. Supplies were running so low that there was an emergency printing of the 10p on 6 September 2012 - the printing of the security overprint versions started less than a week later!

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