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From vaious comments I get the impression that US may have a disproportionate
influence on the Australian market. Are there others examples of a foreign collector
base that is perhaps larger than the local one? Of course I am not speaking of small markets. We all have a good idea of who controls the market on a certain Indian State that begins with an "A" :shock: :lol:
Can one guess what would happen to Australian stamp prices if US collectors suddenly pulled out :?:

Are there niche areas popular here that have little or no following in US :?:

The same questions apply to UK as I suppose Australia is very popular there
as well :?: :?:

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Good heavens--I meant starts with a "B" :oops: :oops: :oops:

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I am sure that I have read somewhere that there are more collectors of Canadian stamps in the U.S. than there are in Canada. Not really surprising, considering the size of the U.S. market.

Certainly, when major collections come to market, they are generally sold in the U.S. rather than Canada.

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Yes Canada was the other example in the back of my mind.
Again I wonder how many UK collectors also favor Canada.
Could it be more than the US? While lower in population,
I suppose UK might have a considerably higher fraction of
Canadian collectors. After all Canada/Newf even featured
Prince Albert, Queen Alexandra and Prince of Wales-later EVII.

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I don,t sell very much to the top end of the market,so Glen is in the best position to comment.

but from my point of view,my customers,, from the shop to the fairs,hardly buy Australian Stamps,but are always asking for other areas,i.e. Postal History.G.B.
Europe.etc.

So if America pulled out of any market I could not see it making any difference to what I am asked for, :?
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I think that many Mexico collectors are in the US, and when it comes to high-end collections many are in the US and Europe as well. Interestingly classic era (1850s-80s) have always been strong in Europe. Frankly, MEPSI (Mexico Elmhurst Philatelic Society International) can probably give a good measure of the various nations involved with collecting Mexico. Virtually every major (and many minor) collectors are MEPSI members.
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I live in the US, but I mainly collect UK. :?

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domiziano wrote:From vaious comments I get the impression that US may have a disproportionate influence on the Australian market.
Could you quote or link to these comments. AFAIK, Australia is still the strongest market for top quality Australian material, and indeed if you are talking about the Arthur Gray Kangaroo sale held in the USA, a lot of Australian dealers flew to the States and paid very high prices for material which mostly returned to Australia.

For "normal" stuff, well it has not moved in price for many years anyway, so it is not really possible for it to become any more depressed. Most of it is, if mint, still used on mail, and if used, it is bundleware. If low value pre-decimal (i.e., demonetised) good luck in trying to sell it.

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I hate to think how many millions of dollars of 1980's postage is still out there today. The more that gets used up on mail, the better, as maybe one day, there will be so little of this material left that MUH will sell for more than half face value! :lol:

Dealers must get $1000's of dollars worth offered to them every month and then have to explain that it is worth way less than original cost, without offending the sender. :)

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mrboggler wrote:
So if America pulled out of any market I could not see it making any difference to what I am asked for, :?
Me too.

In my 30 years of full time dealing, US buyers are hardly a blip on the radar $$ wise.

And I am the Australian correspondent for Linn's, and have been a Life Member of the American Stamp Dealers Association (ASDA) for 20 years, so have a far higher profile than any other dealer here among Americans, and even so, it is still a VERY tiny blip.

American buying has a near zero affect on the local market.

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As a UK citizen my main collecting interest for new issues is unsurprisingly my own country, i would guess many collectors have their own country as their main ongoing new issues collecting interest as they are most comfortable with issues and commemorations of their own country, i would guess old issues would be less focussed but could be connected with their own country in some way, though personally i find the early issues of USA and Australia of irresistable interest, along with those issues of the old British Empire including Canada, plenty of my own country's historical and political connections there.

Prior to Glenn's informative and authoritative post I would have guessed there is no major influence on the Australian stamp market from USA, and has been confirmed 8) .
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domiziano wrote:Good heavens--I meant starts with a "B" :oops: :oops: :oops:
And I thought you had Bill Lewis and his Alwar in mind :lol:
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Norm asked me to quote the link for my impression
about US influence on the Australian stamp market.
That is difficult because it is based on many things.

:idea: Years of experience when I lived in US--all
the stamp clubs I entered seemed to have many
Australian collectors.

:idea: A general impression from slowly absorbing
the posts on this board

:idea: A recent comment by Glen that he buys 80%??
of Australian collections from US. Thi stimulated me to
post a query because the issues was almost subconscious
before...I think it was the thread about someone who
puchased an Australian collection only to receive and
Austrian one...???

I would guess things have changed in the past 10-20 years
with the ratio of Australian to US colectors of Australia
increasing.. Most US clubs I joined in the 70s-80s are
defunct and a general dumbing down of the population
would suggest that many fewer US people collect Australia
or anything at all. Perhaps this board is giving me a false
impression about the vibrancy of collecting in Australia :D

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US people may also have been turned off by the bust.
I too am the proud owner of MNH decimal Navigators
which I thought would make me rich. Too see them
eclipsed by Barwani--well I don't know what to think.

I helped at least three US familais to liquidate modest
collections in the 90s. These people were receiving all
the Australian PO packs....

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domiziano wrote::idea: A recent comment by Glen that he buys 80%??
of Australian collections from US. This stimulated me to
post a query because the issues was almost subconscious
before...I think it was the thread about someone who
puchased an Australian collection only to receive and
Austrian one...???
Glen's comment re. buying Australian collections was that near-on all the collections he purchases that are mounted on Scott pages (or some similar American brand) are from sellers in the USA. Therefore collections of Australia from the USA are simply a subset of all collections he purchases.

The Australia/Austria collection anecdote was simply a mix-up by the auction house/seller, and has nothing to do with reflecting the influence or vibrancy of Americans in the stamp market.
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domiziano wrote:
:idea: A recent comment by Glen that he buys 80%?? of Australian collections from US.
Nope not me.

If that assumption is what you based post one on, I can see how you got it so wrong!

90% of what I buy walks in the door here in Sydney as there really are no other cash buyers for large lots in the entire city.
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I know for sure through a friend at the Greene Foundation that in the recent Bill Gross sale through Spinks that featured Canada, most of the major pieces (Canada #3 that went for 250k) were sold to Canadians.

US may account for more volume in collecting Canada but they do not come close in terms of quality of material.

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To be honest, I live in the US and don't actively collect US much anymore. My US collecting interests are Washington-Franklins and some other older 20th century, and the 19th century stuff, but that is all back burnered at the moment.

My primary interest now is Great Britain, mostly Victorian but also odd stuff like Prestige booklets and, for some reason, I'm really in to GVI at the moment. I need those sideways and inverted watermarks!!!

I would be very surprised if the US market drove the Australian market. I was told long ago that stamps usually demand the highest prices in their countries of origin. I suspect for all but the rarest of stamps this is still true.

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Thanks for straightening me out on this issue.
Obviously I was confused on all sides :roll:
So most of the two pound Roos are inside Australia
and most of the decimal Navigators outside :(

I made a big mistake ~~25 years ago--Roos were high
so instead of completing my Australia pre-1970
collection I bought Navigators etc :(

and Australian States :D

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domiziano wrote:Thanks for straightening me out on this issue.
Obviously I was confused on all sides :roll:
So most of the two pound Roos are inside Australia
and most of the decimal Navigators outside :(

I made a big mistake ~~25 years ago--Roos were high
so instead of completing my Australia pre-1970
collection I bought Navigators etc :(

and Australian States :D
I don't think you can go wrong on Australian States, especially the Federal Period (March 1901). Comparing prices, it is very clear that the States issues languish in comparison to later Kangaroos and George V. Supply is, generally, lower but so is demand. However, just try picking up good copies of the higher denominations from any State...quite difficult.
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The federal period of AS is my least favorite. It makes no
sense to me--why this ten year delay to issue the Roos?
Ghoulish to show the dead queen for ten years. :cry:

The pre 1901 issues are classic AS--and each state so different.
Admittedly too complex an area for some. :shock:

Tasmania aand Queensland --elegant. :D

However some early Victoria belong with the uglies.
They almost make Barwani et al. look beautiful. :roll:

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PeterS wrote:
I don't think you can go wrong on Australian States, especially the Federal Period (March 1901). Comparing prices, it is very clear that the States issues languish in comparison to later Kangaroos and George V. Supply is, generally, lower but so is demand. However, just try picking up good copies of the higher denominations from any State...quite difficult.
Precisely. This is an AUSTRALIAN stamp, being issued first after 1901. Indeed it was the only stamp ever to depict KEVII from this country - all the other states who showed a monarch used QV for over a decade after she died, incredbly dumb and bizarre as that may seem!

It costs a small fraction of what the Roo stamps of the same face value sell for today, despite the small numbers printed.

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As it happens I do not have this EVII issue. Of course I
like it because it was historically appropriate.This is
odd because I collect both AS and EVII from all the BC.
What must one shell out for this Victoria EVII these days?

Perhaps EVII was unpopular in Australia? His liason with
Mrs. Koeppel perhaps offended puritan sensibilities :wink: :?:

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To clarify my second point in the previous mail.
Why did only one AS issue KEVII stamps?

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domiziano wrote: However some early Victoria belong with the uglies.
They almost make Barwani et al. look beautiful. :roll:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

I did not mean to imply that I disliked uglies.

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I don't think many people in the U.S. collect Australia, mainly because we really don't know that much about them. "Classical" G.B. is much more popular as it's easier to find info on them. Perhaps Stampboards will change that! I've learned a LOT about Australian stamps just reading various posts. (And New Zealand as well.)
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jumet -- Thats interesting. I wonder whether A or GB is collected more in US.
I would pick Australia because I felt there to be some affinity between
US and Australia--both young countries.....both former BC colonies.
Certainly when I lived in Pasadena in the late 70s I knew many more
Australian collectors--thats where I obtained my Sc 95a Kookabura SS.
Traded for a Penny Black. I would have said that Australia seems more
approachable than GB....less complex for a beginner...and Australia
always had fewer intimidating high cost stamps. Even worse today
with huge inflation in Scott cats pre--QEII.

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domiziano wrote:To clarify my second point in the previous mail.
Why did only one AS issue KEVII stamps?
Victoria didn't have a value over 5/- and decided to produce a totally new design, hence the use of EVII. South Australia had to produce a new set of high values to accomodate the separation of postage (Federal revenue) and revenue (State tax). They simply copied the existing Long Tom designs and inscribed them POSTAGE rather than POSTAGE & REVENUE.

The Western Australia's case, where the stamps were printed in Melbourne, an exsting Victorian State stamp was adapted to produce their new high value.

Australia was fiscally very conservative in the first decade of Federation. The depression of the 1890s was fresh in everyones mind and spending lots of money to replace the perfectly usable exsting stamps was just not seen as a priority (even the necessary changes, such as SA and the removal of STAMP DUTY from Victorian stamps were minimalist). A new Federation just finding its way, where States Rights were still seen as paramount (the Federal Gov't was "supposed" to worry about defence and foreign affairs and not much else), wasn't interested in such minor matters at the time.

So, whilst we might find it strange that Victoria continued to appear on stamps for more than 10 years after she died (and a young portrait, in most cases, at that) I doubt there was much consideration given to a complete new stamp issue back then.
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Thanks Peter.
Stamps are interesting in many ways aesthetic and otherwise.
They teach us about political history.
Some former BC were eager to quickly establish their own international identity. Stamps are a visible was to do that.
Obviously Australia still felt close ties to the "mother country"
in 1901. So they were not in a hurry to abandon connections to the British monarchy. If they had been, one supposes they would have found some money for printing some "Roos" in 1901.

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domiziano wrote:Thanks Peter.
Stamps are interesting in many ways aesthetic and otherwise.
They teach us about political history.
Some former BC were eager to quickly establish their own international identity. Stamps are a visible was to do that.
Obviously Australia still felt close ties to the "mother country"
in 1901. So they were not in a hurry to abandon connections to the British monarchy. If they had been, one supposes they would have found some money for printing some "Roos" in 1901.

Domiziano :D
Up until quite recent times the majority of Australians considered themselves "British". Australia declared war in both WWI and WWII on the same day as Britain and any government that had even considered delaying would probably have been lynched. PM Menzies in 1939, when reporting the start of the war in a radio broadcast, used the words "..Britain has declared war upon her (i.e. Germany) and, as a consequence, Australia is also at war."

As an example of the sentiment in earlier times, there were over 365,000 Australian men of military age who volunteered for WWI. There was no conscription in Australia during that war, yet that many volunteered to fight 'for King and Country' out of a total population of around 4 million people.

You might be interested to know that the issue of the Kangaroos were almost solely the work of a Scot by the name of Frazer, an avowed anti-monarchist. He was the Federal Minister in charge of posts and telegraphs at the time. His design was ridiculed and demands were made to do teh proper thing and put the monarchs head on the stamps. He lost office when the government was deafeated and the new government immediately set about bringing in 'proper' stamps with the head of GV on them. :)
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I wonder whether A or GB is collected more in US.
I would pick Australia
Linn's used to commission polls of their readership that addressed that question. Australia was often the most popular foreign country, and one year 20% of all subscribers claimed they collected Aussie stamps. Canada was generally more popular than GB, and was sometimes the most popular.

I dealt in postally used worldwide stamps from the early 80s until recently and Australia was usually the most popular country that I offered. I sold practically all the above-rate decimals I could find, and the earlier stuff was popular too. I didn't stock many $100+ stamps, but the turnover on the $1 - $50 stuff was great.

The mindless proliferation of stamps from the mid-90s on seemed to kill a lot of the interest. Another factor, and probably the biggest, on sales in the US has been the tremendous surge in health care costs. Many of my customers were retirees on fixed incomes, who could afford $50 every other month for their hobby. Now that money and much more goes to Big Pharm.

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Thanks Peter -- so fiscal conservatism trumped
the desire for united Australia to honor a popular
new monarch KEVII.....

Thanks "nolimits" -- it did not occur to me that
potential US collectors might have been lost due to
the health care crisis. I think there is more to the
decline in US collecting but cannot put my finger on it.
I think even the "culture wars" might be playing a role.

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Peter,
You might be interested to know that the issue of the Kangaroos were almost solely the work of a Scot by the name of Frazer, an avowed anti-monarchist. He was the Federal Minister in charge of posts and telegraphs at the time.
Frazer was not a Scot - he was true blue dinky-di born in Australia (2 January 1880, at Yarrawonga in Victoria, although he found fame but not much fortune in Western Australia).

I don't know that Fraser should be categorised as "an avowed anti-monarchist" although he was certainly a staunch Labour man and stridently opposed to the idea of featuring the monarch's portrait on Australia's stamps.

Frazer was a great and fascinating Australian, someone whose place in Australian philatelic history as the 'father' of the kangaroo and map postage stamps should be assured, yet he is scarcely mentioned nowadays, let alone remembered.

Charlie Frazer died aged 33 on 25 November 1913, of pneumonia, having caught a chill at Epsom races just a few days before. A fortnight later, the engraved 1d King George V portrait stamp was issued. I have always thought it was fitting that 'Charlie' wasn't alive to see the 'monarchist' stamps sold in Post Offices.

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clive willingham wrote:Peter,
You might be interested to know that the issue of the Kangaroos were almost solely the work of a Scot by the name of Frazer, an avowed anti-monarchist. He was the Federal Minister in charge of posts and telegraphs at the time.
Frazer was not a Scot - he was true blue dinky-di born in Australia (2 January 1880, at Yarrawonga in Victoria, although he found fame but not much fortune in Western Australia).

I don't know that Fraser should be categorised as "an avowed anti-monarchist" although he was certainly a staunch Labour man and stridently opposed to the idea of featuring the monarch's portrait on Australia's stamps.

Frazer was a great and fascinating Australian, someone whose place in Australian philatelic history as the 'father' of the kangaroo and map postage stamps should be assured, yet he is scarcely mentioned nowadays, let alone remembered.

Charlie Frazer died aged 33 on 25 November 1913, of pneumonia, having caught a chill at Epsom races just a few days before. A fortnight later, the engraved 1d King George V portrait stamp was issued. I have always thought it was fitting that 'Charlie' wasn't alive to see the 'monarchist' stamps sold in Post Offices.

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Clive, OK...Scottish heritage then. And I agree that he is forgotten and shouldn't be. However, I am glad that we have both the Kangaroos and the George V heads. :)
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Re: Is U.S. the tail that wags the dog in the Australian market?

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Thanks Clive for the clarifications.
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