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Global Admin wrote: 31 Mar 2023 13:03
Brit-Col wrote: 31 Mar 2023 08:48

Thank goodness you are not on any stamp body Ethics Committee. It would be the Wild West - or worse. :!: :!:

'Oversight'? and ... 'Carelessness'?

'Oops, George apparently 'forgot' to mention that badly reperforated, and regummed, and repaired and faked stamp he is selling as 'genuine in all respects - superb quality' - poor old George - lets put it down to Human Error.

Lots of stamps had PSE Certs issued as 'Mint NH', and just weeks later - well within the stated 4-week Cert turnaround time, had fake cancels added, and were PSE re-certified as 'Used Is Genuine'.

WHY? - As USED are pricier than Mint for these issues. Inside job for sure - to all except Ethics denier softie Brit-Col.

Then PSE deliberately delete the 'before' and 'after' Certs from their data base for good measure. If they were innocent in all ways, Caj, The Performing Vegas Circus Clown would be on here, bleating just that. Total Silence from the Spivs Of Las Vegas on this matter - what does that tell us?

Caj HAS posted here in very recent times - just his usual barely understandable gibberish, but NOTHING to address this issue. Case closed.

The words 'DELIBERATE FRAUD' come to my mind.

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Not true - Mint NH stamps are worth more than Used but Used is worth more than Hinged.
As for Inside Job - lets get real here.......... You can hate PSE and me but this is just crooks gaming the system.

It is a fact that crooks tend to be good at their fakery and unfortunately, you don't catch the crime until after it is committed.

This is 5 year old story but I will absolutely address it again.

2 east coast (USA) people were getting high grade stamps that were hinged and then putting them back in for certification after removing the gum and adding a fake cancel.

After it was discovered all the certificates were canceled - which is exactly why Cert Verification is a thing. We have changed our policy to change the descriptions now instead of killing the certificate...... This is due to this fakery but deleting the certificate was the policy since 1998.

Just FYI - we were charging $15.00 for certificates on 3-c3nt to 5-cent commemoratives but now we charge $25.00 (as with all post 1900 issues) because now we have to research every stamp to make sure it wasn't a prior submitted mint stamp. As you can guess - this is time consuming and as such the $15.00 price was ended.

Just FYI - a complaint was filed with the APS that Scott Murphy (President of PSE) should be expelled for allowing this to happen. The APS made a ruling that basically absolved PSE from any wrong doing but we still changed our procedure because this is a thing that effects the stamp market.

Basically there is one guy here in the USA - Like Glen in Australia - that just HATES PSE.
You are repeating his lies and disinformation.
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ViccyVFU wrote: 22 Feb 2023 23:33 I did start looking for others, and found, rather conveniently, they all seem to be in submitted batches of 20, interdispersed with a few red herrings ....

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At least someone must be reading these posts, as the original certificates for virtually all the items "appear to have been taken down".

But we still know these are (mostly) forgeries.

PSE should name and shame, if they can distance themselves from this scandal, but the fact remains "every certificate was purportedly signed off and reviewed by a committee".

So long, PSE. (Any pleasure has been all yours).
So Caj,

22nd February 2023 I called up all these certificates "you claim were detected and cancelled five years ago".

Just admit it: "No expert committee, and well and truly rumbled".

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ViccyVFU wrote: 23 Apr 2023 05:23 So, they wrote a report, but perhaps missed out the most pertinent points "to anyone coming new to this".

1) They did not detect the fakes,
and only begrudgingly commented AFTER many examples were pointed out to them.

2) They have issued multiple certificates (probably over 40),
all apparently "reviewed by an expert committee", stating these postmarks "to be genuine".

3) They have removed the corresponding "mint" items from their certificate checker database.

4) Far from detecting forgeries, they have furnished "erroneous certification",
such that innocent punters cannot "seek the backing of professional organisations, to rectify matters". (i.e. "Its got a certificate")

All of which points to collusion, or gross ineptitude of the highest level, in "creating a false market, in these stamps".

PSE (and their certificates, even existing ones) should be avoided at all costs.

.... They are simply not reliable, or accountable for the falsehoods they are promoting.

We detected these fakes about 6-8 months after they started to show up. I think that is pretty fast. Fox fakes were not detected for many years.

There were 36 fake stamp certs. Yes they were reviewed but not recognized as fakes. What brought our attention to it was that one of the fakers submitted a normal order of 20 with stamps from 1927 to 1957. The used stamps in the order (it was mixed mint and used) all had the same cancel. A wavy line cancel used for 30 years? Not possible. We issued the cert on those stating that they were not genuine and then started looking deeper.

As stated in the above post - Up until last year, PSE would cancel certificates (Kill them) by deleting them from the cert verification and this was policy since the late 1990's. We do not do this now - now we change the description. This is a result of this fakery.

Your point #4 I do not fully understand but if you are saying that we should refund the faker of the certificates that we killed - I do not agree.
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We detected these fakes about 6-8 months after they started to show up. I think that is pretty fast.
Clap ... clap ... clap. Not fast that truly and utterly "this word censored by phpBB". And the original untampered stamps having just been with you and in your database :roll: This is not how stamp expertising works.

Are you remembering how you claim to be a stamp expertising body - those cancels were blatantly on the very same stamps being sent straight back to you. So to give the undeserved benefit of the doubt - you don't actually expertise stamps, you only assess centring so you could only noticed the stream of fakes when too many came in at the one time? Right? That's your excuse for "certifying" all these clearly fake cancels on these stamps?

And to think I wasted my time trying to get PSE to stop manipulating certificate images to stop misrepresenting perforations? :lol: What a small issue compared to this nonsense.
but now we charge $25.00 (as with all post 1900 issues) because now we have to research every stamp to make sure it wasn't a prior submitted mint stamp
Tough gig you've got going there with all that researching. Maybe you should have learned how to expertise stamps in the first place? But I guess $10 a pop to check your own database is your new cash cow?
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psestamp wrote: 27 Apr 2023 05:59

2 east coast (USA) people were getting high grade stamps that were hinged and then putting them back in for certification after removing the gum and adding a fake cancel

Just FYI - a complaint was filed with the APS that Scott Murphy (President of PSE) should be expelled for allowing this to happen. The APS made a ruling that basically absolved PSE from any wrong doing but we still changed our procedure because this is a thing that effects the stamp market.

Basically there is one guy here in the USA - Like Glen in Australia - that just HATES PSE.

You are repeating his lies and disinformation.

First Caj, to be a good liar you need to have a good memory. There are no 'lies' above - (except from you!) and no 'disinformation' -- just a bunch of REAL FACTS and REAL EXAMPLES, that show PSE are a bunch of flim-flam Vegas con men.

You are neither a good liar OR have a good memory.

PSE clearly cannot pick re-perfs, you cannot accurately measure centring, and not you admit you cannot defect a laughable rubber stamp fake cancel - endless times. All PROVEN above beyond all doubt.

If someone in the USA hauled your boss Scott Murphy in front of the APS - good for him. There are HUNDREDS of folks globally (100s on this thread alone actually not just 'two') who dislike PSE, and your sleight of hand, and your Las Vegas Failed Magician Card Tricks with dodgy certs.

I am surprised there was not more than one complaint to APS- there probably was - or there will be more. The year is young.

We know you were removed from APS for not paying your bills - and If anyone here has access to the APS website re disciplinary action, I bet Scott Murphy name is not marked as you glibly state - 'The APS made a ruling that basically absolved PSE from any wrong doing'

Neither of you are now ASDA USA members, who'd toss the book at you both, if you were, I suggest.

Again, you are neither a good liar OR have a good memory.

This airmail stamp below was NOT hinged as you glibly state. Your own PSE (Pretty Suspect 'Experts') Cert for it says 'NEVER HINGED' - agree? Are you saying 'never hinged' is now meaning 'hinged' in your little dream bubble?

Someone adds the laziest of rubber stamp cancels, and you cheerfully then re grade it as 'GENUINE USED'.
norvic wrote: 21 Feb 2023 19:57

These are two of the images under discussion.

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For some reason, the earlier certificates for the uncancelled stamps are no longer on the PSE database.

There are other examples and opinion is that all the cancels are applied by the same device.
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Caj -- are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us you idiots could not tell at a one-second glance this was a crude rubber cancel, applied with a $1 WalMart water based ink pad? I can see that instantly from 10,000 miles away. And I will not charge you $US50 for that EXPERT opinion. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yet you GRAYDEAD dozens of these jokes as 'Genuine Used' and have refunded no-one for your stupidity you are saying? As Iain says above, you clowns are so fixated and busy working out if a stamp is centred a '95' or a '98' (and you change your view on even that 2 weeks apart!) the horrible perfs and cancels are a mere sideshow to you.

And now you have hugely hiked your fees, as you have been caught out, and new submitted material has dropped to a trickle there I am sure, now the fad has faded due to this nonsense? That huge price hike will cover more bananas for the Monkey there for sure. :!: :!: :!:

Maybe PSE (Pretty Suspect 'Experts') will have to take the begging bowl back to Uncle Sam for another $US50,000 needless government bailout support for 'COVID support' (despite your cert numbers being unaffected) due to your own internal stupidity in here?? No wonder Trump is your Hero. :roll:


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psestamp wrote: 27 Apr 2023 05:59
Just FYI - we were charging $15.00 for certificates on 3-cent to 5-cent commemoratives but now we charge $25.00 (as with all post 1900 issues) because now we have to research every stamp to make sure it wasn't a prior submitted mint stamp.

I predicted exactly this huge price hike, a few weeks back right here. The Numbers of Bunnies - even in the USA - must be drying up enormously after this scandal. Which still is unravelling, so let sting these schmucks with ANOTHER 70% price hike - on top of the price hike of 2022. YIKES. Sign of a business in the Final Death Roll.

Maybe Uncle Sam also hands out $US50,000 Grants for the most INCOMPETENTLY RUN businesses in the USA? PSE (Pretty Suspect 'Experts') might still hit THE JACKPOT!!! 'Let's hike prices 70% and tell no-one'.

PSE home page as of 5 minutes ago.
PSE home page as of 5 minutes ago.

Send in your 5c retail very common commemoratives (near all of those are well centred of course as they were printed and saved in the BILLIONS) get told the alleged NUMBRARRHHH of that day, selected by the Head Chimp and pay $US45 for that info by Express post. Send it in later with a fake cancel, and get charged $US45 again. And you still have a 5c retail stamp! PSE has your $US90, and American Capitalism and Gullibility and Greed triumphs AGAIN. :evil:

Guess what - these idiots at PSE, who clearly cannot grade stamps accurately, also cannot update their OWN website - as of 5 minutes back, the cost shows $US15 each plus $US20 Express post. Caj cheerfully tells us above it is now $US25 plus a totally unknown Express charge. 70% more.

Neither is updated on their home page, or on their Grading Fees page. The Chimp must be off on his Banana Break, (or down at the Roulette table) - they are very unionised in Las Vegas. :!: :!:

http://psestamp.com/servicesandfees.chtml

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Regardless of PSE's incompetence, we have a reply from Caj in comprehensible English, addressing the issue in question.

We should, at least, be thankful for that, though I find myself wondering if someone is answering on his behalf.....
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Hmm..., "incompetence" is giving them the benefit of the doubt... :roll:
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psestamp wrote: 27 Apr 2023 05:59
Just FYI - a complaint was filed with the APS that Scott Murphy (President of PSE) should be expelled for allowing this to happen.

So Caj .. this complainant was an onlooker, or someone who had bought one of these dud stamps?
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In the United States, and throughout the world, stamp club meetings have become octogenarian group therapy sessions.

Most of us, now in the twilight of our years, know that senior citizens are the largest group of people targeted by filthy swindlers.

Numerical grading (numgrad) is the new villain.

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psestamp wrote: 27 Apr 2023 06:30

We detected these fakes about 6-8 months after they started to show up. I think that is pretty fast. Fox fakes were not detected for many years.

There were 36 fake stamp certs. Yes they were reviewed but not recognized as fakes. What brought our attention to it was that one of the fakers submitted a normal order of 20 with stamps from 1927 to 1957. The used stamps in the order (it was mixed mint and used) all had the same cancel. A wavy line cancel used for 30 years? Not possible. We issued the cert on those stating that they were not genuine and then started looking deeper.
A few questions for you Caj:

1. You detected these fakes 6-8 months after they started to show up. How long ago was that?

2. What did you do to warn collectors/the trade about their existence? Something on your website? A piece in Linn's? A post on Stampboards?

3. As it seems safe to conclude that the person submitting the fakes was the faker, did you report them to the authorities?

4. You say you realised what was going on when someone sent a whole load of fakes with identical cancels. What happened to these stamps?

5. Did you contact the faker to tell them you'd spotted their game?

6. Did you alert other grading bodies about this scam?

EDIT: Further question.

7. Who submitted them first time round, prior to the addition of the fake postmarks?

I look forward to your coherent, relevant and honest answers in due course. Then again......
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Many off topic comments about Numbah GRAYDEAD possibly occurring in ASIA are split off to a new topic -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=102581
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Caj -- are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us you idiots could not tell at a one-second glance this was a crude rubber cancel, applied with a $1 WalMart water based ink pad? I can see that instantly from 10,000 miles away. And I will not charge you $US50 for that EXPERT opinion. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I am fully aware that you are one of the leading experts in Australia but I have to call you out on your knowledge of US stamps.

There were thousands of wavy line cancels used and THIS IS NOT FROM A RUBBER STAMP.

Sorry to say but looking in the rear view mirror it is easy to criticize - and you are correct, it is fake.

You are correct for the wrong reason and only after reviewing what we wrote.

As for the PPP - Do you know what that says? That we are a recognized corporation inside the USA and that our financial condition is stable and suitable for the government program. The government has reviewed our financial information along with ownership and compliance to all tax laws and saw us fit. Thank you for showing this. Any advance in the credibility of PSE on this website is appreciated.
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psestamp wrote: 04 May 2023 05:56
I am fully aware that you are one of the leading experts in Australia, but I have to call you out on your knowledge of US stamps.

There were thousands of wavy line cancels used and THIS IS NOT FROM A RUBBER STAMP.

Caj this comment plumbs ever lower levels of stupidity than usual - if that is possible.

You sent me a rambling and irrelevant multi page manifesto last week (posted in full above) explaining why PSE is giving Mint stamps you previously graded as mint, 'genuine used' GRAYDEAD Certificate weeks later, using this forged rubber handstamp, and a $2 WalMart water based inkpad.

Why did you do it? Because they are worth more used in your loopy GRAYDEAD fast collapsing market.

Your Chimp colleague above can see it is a rubber stamp.

Your admissions in your rambling missive last week very clearly stated it was a Rubber stamp, not a steel cancel and appeared 'watery'. You told us the ink was 'watery' - guess what occurs with a WATER BASED ink pad! It looks WATERY. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The entire planet can see it is a rubber stamp using a water based supermarket ink pad, that would fool no-one except PSE. (Pretty Stoopid 'Experts')

As a week latter you tell us IN CAPITAL LETTERS that it is not a rubber stamp!

Go back to the dodgy card tricks in Vegas Caj .. you MAY have been good at those. Grading stamps you clearly are not good at. Or good at fibbing your way out of this recent scandal, that you tell us was raised as a disciplinary complaint with the APS.

You tell us you are a huge Trump supporter, but even HE comes up with more savvy fiction than this.

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Global Admin wrote: 04 May 2023 13:34
psestamp wrote: 04 May 2023 05:56
I am fully aware that you are one of the leading experts in Australia, but I have to call you out on your knowledge of US stamps.

There were thousands of wavy line cancels used and THIS IS NOT FROM A RUBBER STAMP.

Caj this comment plumbs ever lower levels of stupidity than usual - if that is possible.

You sent me a rambling and irrelevant multi page manifesto last week (posted in full above) explaining why PSE is giving Mint stamps you previously graded as mint, 'genuine used' GRAYDEAD Certificate weeks later, using this forged rubber handstamp, and a $2 WalMart water based inkpad.

You tell us you are a huge Trump supporter, but even HE comes up with more savvy fiction than this.

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Just FYI - I am running for President of the United States as a Democrat - Why would I support a Republican?

BUT addressing your comment - This was written 3 years ago and since then we have become aware of how the device was made and do not wish to share this with everyone because we do not support would-be counterfeiters.

I will accept this criticism and move on.
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ViccyVFU wrote: 27 Apr 2023 06:08
ViccyVFU wrote: 22 Feb 2023 23:33 I did start looking for others, and found, rather conveniently, they all seem to be in submitted batches of 20, interdispersed with a few red herrings ....

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At least someone must be reading these posts, as the original certificates for virtually all the items "appear to have been taken down".

But we still know these are (mostly) forgeries.

PSE should name and shame, if they can distance themselves from this scandal, but the fact remains "every certificate was purportedly signed off and reviewed by a committee".

So long, PSE. (Any pleasure has been all yours).
So Caj,

22nd February 2023 I called up all these certificates "you claim were detected and cancelled five years ago".

Just admit it: "No expert committee, and well and truly rumbled".

These are not fake though. We only kill fake certificates.

As for NAME AND SHAME - You are getting into a legal question. That is not how business is done unless you have lots of money for lawyer expenses.

That said - we have given the names to the APS as we are required to do by being a member of that organization. The APS will review this but the 2 submitters of the fake stamps were not APS members and as such I doubt that there is much that they can do.
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psestamp wrote: 13 May 2023 05:53
We only kill fake certificates.

Meanwhile, your sig:

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The Pom wrote: 13 May 2023 07:05
psestamp wrote: 13 May 2023 05:53
We only kill fake certificates.

Meanwhile, your sig:

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psestamp wrote: 13 May 2023 05:42
Just FYI - I am running for President of the United States as a Democrat - Why would I support a Republican?

BUT addressing your comment - This was written 3 years ago and since then we have become aware of how the device was made and do not wish to share this with everyone because we do not support would-be counterfeiters.

Caj .. is it you writing these replies, or your staffer here in the grey top? It is Vegas .. toss a coin maybe? Or deal 2 cards.

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Good luck with your tilt at the Presidency ..... America really DESERVES you. WHY a red cap wearing Trump devotee like you would run only as a Democrat .... again make ask your mate in the grey top. He MIGHT be able to figger out the wackiness. Certainly no-one else sane can. I bet the Democrats cannot. :roll: :roll: :roll:

As to the fake cancel image. You will agree you emailed it to me just WEEKS BACK correct, to try and explain all the funny business that PSE are engaging in there. Not 3 years back. No mention it was 3 years old. You are making it up. :shock:

And Caj, we know high IQ is not something associated with you but to say -

'we have become aware of how the device was made and do not wish to share this with everyone because we do not support would-be counterfeiters.'

i.e. it was a $5 rubber stamp made at Kinkos etc, you really are insulting our intelligence here. Monthly. :roll:

And as to the info your APS member, PSE Partner Scott Murphy is 'sharing' with the APS about these alleged East Coast clients doing all that Kinkos rubber stamp faking that PSE cheerfully and stupidly issued 'genuine is used' certs for, weeks after you issued 'genuine is mint' ones, will you be telling the APS that the most recent dubious ones were submitted from LAS VEGAS, (where you are based -- hmmmm) not 'the east coast'. Maybe that explains the super fast turn around time?

The problem for you is Caj .. a lot more is known about the PSE Dud Certificate shenanigans than you understand. :!: :!: :!:
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The Pom wrote: 13 May 2023 07:05
psestamp wrote: 13 May 2023 05:53
We only kill fake certificates.

Meanwhile, your sig:

Caj Brejtfus, PSE -WE KILL FAKE STAMPS.

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Yeah, but it also says DFTBA, which is presumably "Diploma - Full Time Bullsh*tters Association". :D

The date and timeline of his claimed detection (and corrections), when compared to the exhibits I've shown "available on the PSE database earlier this year", just show his version of events to be "a complete pack of lies".

I couldn't say if there was any collusion, or not, but "if APS were advised names", I'd have thought they would send out a Dealer Bulletin / Update, to warn their trade members. Anyone seen one?

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In the spirit of classic chicanery, I have created this link for my integrity-minded collector and dealer friends throughout the entire world, of whom it has been a blessing to know. I am truly inspired by you. The quality of life is better because of your courage to defend our hobby.

http://davidsaks.com/id67.html

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I raise my magnifying glass to you.

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Will "Black Blotting" the numgraders give Stanley, Yvert, Michel, Zumstein and Scott a great big smile ?

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DavidSaks wrote: 16 May 2023 12:21 In the spirit of classic chicanery, I have created this link for my integrity-minded collector and dealer friends throughout the entire world, of whom it has been a blessing to know. I am truly inspired by you. The quality of life is better because of your courage to defend our hobby.

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May I point out that this isn't a Buffalo? It is a Bison.

I hope and pray to God that you are better at stamps than you are at trying to look intelligent.
You will never surpass Glen in your obvious lack of intellect but keep it up. I do have hope for you.
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psestamp wrote: 23 Jun 2023 06:26
I hope and pray to God that you are better at stamps than you are at trying to look intelligent.

You will never surpass Glen in your obvious lack of intellect but keep it up. I do have hope for you.

Thank you for the kind words Caj.

Sadly there is no hope for you and PSE. The silly fad and the short Boom has bust. Your Ponzi shell game has been exposed to the world.

When you are voted President you can order all stamps must be GRAYDEAD to sell - that will be the only thing that will see the practice increase. :!:

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psestamp wrote: 13 May 2023 05:42
Just FYI - I am running for President of the United States as a Democrat - Why would I support a Republican?

BUT addressing your comment - This was written 3 years ago and since then we have become aware of how the device was made and do not wish to share this with everyone because we do not support would-be counterfeiters.

Caj .. is it you writing these replies, or your staffer here in the grey top? It is Vegas .. toss a coin maybe? Or deal 2 cards.

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Good luck with your tilt at the Presidency ..... America really DESERVES you. WHY a red cap wearing Trump devotee like you would run only as a Democrat .... again make ask your mate in the grey top. He MIGHT be able to figger out the wackiness. Certainly no-one else sane can. I bet the Democrats cannot. :roll: :roll: :roll:

As to the fake cancel image. You will agree you emailed it to me just WEEKS BACK correct, to try and explain all the funny business that PSE are engaging in there. Not 3 years back. No mention it was 3 years old. You are making it up. :shock:

And Caj, we know high IQ is not something associated with you but to say -

'we have become aware of how the device was made and do not wish to share this with everyone because we do not support would-be counterfeiters.'

i.e. it was a $5 rubber stamp made at Kinkos etc, you really are insulting our intelligence here. Monthly. :roll:

And as to the info your APS member, PSE Partner Scott Murphy is 'sharing' with the APS about these alleged East Coast clients doing all that Kinkos rubber stamp faking that PSE cheerfully and stupidly issued 'genuine is used' certs for, weeks after you issued 'genuine is mint' ones, will you be telling the APS that the most recent dubious ones were submitted from LAS VEGAS, (where you are based -- hmmmm) not 'the east coast'. Maybe that explains the super fast turn around time?

The problem for you is Caj .. a lot more is known about the PSE Dud Certificate shenanigans than you understand. :!: :!: :!:
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It's now 16 years after the first post in this thread!

Answer to the question in the title: NO!

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psestamp wrote: 23 Jun 2023 06:26

May I point out that this isn't a Buffalo? It is a Bison.

While Caj is technically correct because the scientific name is Bison bison bison, it is acceptable to also call the animal a buffalo. (Most people do not go around calling animals by their scientific names.) Below are screenshots from several websites that indicate this.

From the US Dept. of Interior:
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From WIkipedia:
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From the US National Park website for the Badlands National Park:
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AdmiralCollector wrote: 23 Jun 2023 13:03
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May I point out that this isn't a Buffalo? It is a Bison.

While Caj is technically correct because the scientific name is Bison bison bison, it is acceptable to also call the animal a buffalo. (Most people do not go around calling animals by their scientific names.) Below are screenshots from several websites that indicate this.
That correction makes me think of the fact that "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is, strictly speaking, a grammatically correct English-language sentence.
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psestamp wrote: 23 Jun 2023 06:26
I hope and pray to God that you are better at stamps than you are at trying to look intelligent.
You will never surpass Glen in your obvious lack of intellect but keep it up. I do have hope for you.

This forum exposed what appears to be a conspicuous, flagrant display of deceptive business practice and outrageously bad fraud, Brejtfus, or whatever your name is.

I want to sincerely thank Glen and all those who oppose you and demand justice for anyone who may have been victimized by any criminal who engages in philatelic fraud.

Your attempt to Insult and bully me exposes you as a jerk, a pathetic loser with no grain in your silo. I've never hurled insults at you, Brejtfus. But I know how to deal with bullies and a half-wits with no common sense.

Glen is a far better man and more integrity-minded that you'll ever be.

You appear to have no friends here, Brejtfus. It's obvious that most dislike you.

As for the buffalo, it's very obvious that you have something in common with the error at http://davidsaks.com/id67.html You're living proof that evolution can go in reverse. You're all foam and no beer. You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Brejtfus, for somebody that's dumber than a box of hair, you've got an intellect rivaled only by garden tools.

You're a boring, self-aggrandizing, manipulative a**hole, Brejtfus, with a convoluted sense of self-importance. You always believe that you’re right, no matter who you're talking to, or what you're talking about.

You don’t take anyone else’s thoughts or feelings into account because you're an arrogant a**hole, and you always consider your own lousy opinions as facts. You always need to be right, and unfortunately, to maintain your image of faultlessness rather than accept responsibility for your failure as a human being, and a liar.

I will never trust you, your company PSE, or ever conduct business with you.

You don’t care about the repercussions of your actions as long as you aren’t the one who gets affected by them. You want to make sure that what you say goes, regardless of how it happens or who might get hurt in the process.

You'll persuade, lie, do anything you can just to get what you want because you're a miserable low life, and you don’t have any feelings of remorse, not even a little bit for the people you ripped off, or the people you insult and bully in Stampboards.

Your only goal in life, as far as it goes, is to make other people despise you. You believe that your methods are the best and only way because it guarantees that your needs are met, and since you put primary importance on your own needs, that's all that matters as it usually does to any greed-driven a**hole.

What other people think, feel, need, and want doesn't matter to you because you're an a**hole. You take advantage of other people’s emotional sensitivity and abuse the moral soundness of Stampboards.Com and the friendly community that it could be without you.

Once your stink has vacated the premises, Brejtfus, when the rotten apple is gone and the barrel fumigated and disinfected, and the pest uprooted, it'll be a great day for stamp collectors and Stampboards.

If you persist in bullying, insulting or, even worse, stalking me in this forum, I will contact the Sheriff in your county in Nevada and request a restraining order. I would hope all stamp collectors and others participating possessed of merit and honor will do the same to rid Stampboards of the likes of you.

You're a disgrace to philately, Brejtfus.

I do have hope that Glen will ban you.

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DavidSaks wrote: 23 Jun 2023 16:40
You're all foam and no beer. You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Brejtfus, for somebody that's dumber than a box of hair, you've got an intellect rivaled only by garden tools.

Some handy lines there for when Caj next gets business cards printed - if PSE lasts that long. Love the 'all foam and no beer' line. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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DavidSaks wrote: 23 Jun 2023 16:40
psestamp wrote: 23 Jun 2023 06:26
I hope and pray to God that you are better at stamps than you are at trying to look intelligent.
You will never surpass Glen in your obvious lack of intellect but keep it up. I do have hope for you.

This forum exposed what appears to be a conspicuous, flagrant display of deceptive business practice and outrageously bad fraud, Brejtfus, or whatever your name is.


Your attempt to Insult and bully me exposes you as a jerk, a pathetic loser with no grain in your silo. I've never hurled insults at you, Brejtfus. But I know how to deal with bullies and a half-wits with no common sense.

David; Caj hasn't even tried to insult you yet!

According to him:

Mobbor is either a communist or an ignorant fool

and I am -

a communist and a douche bag.

Don't get mad, get even.

Use your philatelic connections to publicise his and his company's many shortcomings.
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Classic Caj, I'm afraid.

When asked "serious questions" about things "you think he'd know the answer to", he's straight off on a tangent, talking "bullocks".

I have a very simple rule on fakes and fakers ....

"if you know who it is, but won't disclose, then you are part of the team".

"PSE" = "Professional Scammers Endorsement"



Anyway, Sheriff, if you are re-printing your own business cards,
there was a line in David's comments that I expect to see on the new one .....

DavidSaks wrote: 23 Jun 2023 16:40
Glen is a far better man and more integrity-minded that you'll ever be.
(Although if you do mention Caj in comparison, "its a pretty low bar to limbo" :D)

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This Caj Brejtfus clown seems to be a part owner of PSE, from the posts above? He clearly would have been sacked years back if that were not the case.

Little wonder that he says he is a strong Trump supporter.

How any normal company could PAY money to such a bungling buffoon to be 'Publicity Director' beggars belief - even in the USA.

Great to see this 'grading' fad has finally fizzed. :!:
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doc wrote: 23 Jun 2023 19:07
How any normal company could PAY money to such a bungling buffoon to be 'Publicity Director' beggars belief - even in the USA.

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Caj, I applaud your willingness to engage with board members here in response to their posts about the PSE certified fake cancel situation.

With the passage of time keeping facts straight can be a daunting task when it comes to timelines, who said or emailed what to who, or even how many stamps were involved. Getting the scope of the problem right may be all the more difficult for you as many of the images of the fakes have been lost from your website.

To refresh your memory, I was the one who informed PSE of the fakes and the identity of the faker in May 2020 which is now a little over 3 years ago.

Fortunately for you I kept detailed records of conversations and emails, and proactively copied images of the fakes prior to contacting PSE in May of 2020, just in case a problem should arise with your database.

Have also purchased some of the fakes in the open market as recently as a few months ago for research purposes. They will of course not be resold as my goal all along was to get them off of the market. Let me know if I can help you get the story right.

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JCStamps wrote: 09 Jul 2023 13:07 Caj, I applaud your willingness to engage with board members here in response to their posts about the PSE certified fake cancel situation.
We seem to be reading different threads. One or two posts aside, failing to address points and questions is one of Caj's defining characteristics. I'm still waiting for a response to the questions I asked on May 1st.
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JCStamps wrote: 09 Jul 2023 13:07
To refresh your memory, I was the one who informed PSE of the fakes and the identity of the faker in May 2020 which is now a little over 3 years ago.

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Hi Jerry,
Can you tell us what PSE's public response to this was? As far as I'm aware, the answer to that question is "Nothing beyond deleting old certs from their database".

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I think his post was written with great irony behind it actually!

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JCStamps wrote: 09 Jul 2023 13:07
With the passage of time keeping facts straight can be a daunting task when it comes to timelines, who said or emailed what to who, or even how many stamps were involved. Getting the scope of the problem right may be all the more difficult for you as many of the images of the fakes have been lost from your website.

google translate says -

'I know you have frantically doctored your own PSE website, and edited it like crazy to destroy evidence, to clumsily try and cover up all your shenanigans, and repeatedly lied and obfuscated about what actually happened, and when and where and how often etc - but sadly for you lot, I have all the FACTS on hand.'
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Caj,

On these pages you have touted PSE's vigilance in addressing the problem of fake cancels on certified stamps. To that end you have neglected, perhaps out of a sense of modesty, to mention what could be considered PSE's most important action to disrupt the faker and the fakery.

On multiple occasions, both to me and others, your business partner Scott Murphy has claimed to have confiscated and destroyed the device used to produce the fakes posted here. Quite an achievement really as confronting any criminal is potentially a dangerous undertaking. By all means take a bow and retell the details of the story in your inimitable style.

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Replying to Chris:
Hi Jerry,
Can you tell us what PSE's public response to this was? As far as I'm aware, the answer to that question is "Nothing beyond deleting old certs from their database".

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Chris,

So far as I am aware PSE has not issued a public response to the fakes that I have posted. They did disseminate a seven page description of a previous fake cancel problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the more recent fakes I posted.

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psestamp wrote: 13 May 2023 05:42 Just FYI - I am running for President of the United States as a Democrat - Why would I support a Republican?
Having read though this thread, I have found this comment the funniest. Not only because I can find no information on his "running for President" but even googling his name does not bring up his running page when we all know, at least those who follow the news, that democrats have already a number of contenders and his unique name "Caj Brejtfus" is not one of them.

Questions the credibility of the man if he can't even be truthful about that. I'm just glad here in Texas, his nonsense isn't around.
So far as I am aware PSE has not issued a public response to the fakes that I have posted. They did disseminate a seven page description of a previous fake cancel problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the more recent fakes I posted.

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No interest in their podcast and am reasonably sure they didn't address the fake cancels on PSE graded stamps in that or any other podcast. So far I have not seen them take any actions taken other than deleting certificates.
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Perhaps this says it all, both about his respect as a stamp "expert" and his presidential ambitions!
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Caj,

This is in response to what you wrote on April 26. I'll put your words in italics for clarity.

Not true - Mint NH stamps are worth more than Used but Used is worth more than Hinged.
As for Inside Job - lets get real here.......... You can hate PSE and me but this is just crooks gaming the system.


You're unnecessarily light on details about the crook. Can you be more specific?



It is a fact that crooks tend to be good at their fakery and unfortunately, you don't catch the crime until after it is committed.

In this case the crook was not very good at fakery as I was able to spot it instantly when presented with two fakes made by him. Other philatelists I have shown examples to can spot it easily as well. Simply put, the ink flow, texture and overall look are all wrong.

This is 5 year old story but I will absolutely address it again.

Not a five year story. You are conflating this story which is now three years old with a different fake cancel episode but you already know that.

2 east coast (USA) people were getting high grade stamps that were hinged and then putting them back in for certification after removing the gum and adding a fake cancel.

Your definition of "east coast" here seems to accommodate a greater expanse of the USA than what most Americans consider being located on the "east coast".

After it was discovered all the certificates were canceled - which is exactly why Cert Verification is a thing. We have changed our policy to change the descriptions now instead of killing the certificate...... This is due to this fakery but deleting the certificate was the policy since 1998.

Not all the fakes have been addressed as has been proven again and again. Your number goes up or down depending on your audience. I have seen no fake cancel number issued by PSE that remotely approaches the number of fake images I have catalogued.

Just FYI - we were charging $15.00 for certificates on 3-c3nt to 5-cent commemoratives but now we charge $25.00 (as with all post 1900 issues) because now we have to research every stamp to make sure it wasn't a prior submitted mint stamp. As you can guess - this is time consuming and as such the $15.00 price was ended.

This will do nothing to eliminate the problem as thet vast majority of fake cancels are from stamps submitted without prior certs.



Just FYI - a complaint was filed with the APS that Scott Murphy (President of PSE) should be expelled for allowing this to happen. The APS made a ruling that basically absolved PSE from any wrong doing but we still changed our procedure because this is a thing that effects the stamp market.

That is not the reason the complaint was filed. It was filed because Scott Murphy after being informed of both the fakes and the identity of the faker did not take steps to effectively fix the problem. He also did not report the fakery as required by the APS code of ethics. We can go over the complaint point by point if you like.

Basically there is one guy here in the USA - Like Glen in Australia - that just HATES PSE.
You are repeating his lies and disinformation.

If you are referring to me you would be mistaken that any hatred is involved. Sorry you feel that way. Additionally, there is no disinformation or lies whatsoever. Cite your evidence of disinformation if you believe otherwise.

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Perhaps his CajforPresident account has more followers?

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In May of 2020 when I informed PSE of these fakes and the identity of the faker I urged them to publish a list of all the incorrect certificates they issued to this individual. This is not a difficult to do, all that is required is to do a visual review of the certs issued and invalidate those with fake cancels.

Some three years have gone by and they have not done so. The result of the decision by PSE to not publish a list is that the fakes are still causing economic harm to collectors. Many of these fakes are still sitting in collections and will eventually work their way into the marketplace. The truth of this concern is easily proven as I have purchased examples of these fakes in the marketplace and not from the original source.

The damage is not limited solely to the actual fakes. Just as concerning are the inquires I get from collectors asking whether certified used stamps they purchased as good or not. Usually the stamps are genuinely cancelled but clearly these collectors are affected by the uncertainty of which certificates are good and which are not.

While there is no requirement that I am aware of for Certification companies to publish a list of known fakes there ought to be. Without any real consequence for producing fakes it only encourages others to do the same.
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JCStamps wrote: 23 Jul 2023 08:20 … clearly these collectors are affected by the uncertainty of which certificates are good and which are not.

Without any real consequence for producing fakes it only encourages others to do the same.
But to at least some degree it is a self-solving problem, is it not?

Allow enough doubt to fester in the marketplace and after some time there won’t be a marketplace.

Why buy something if you’re not sure it can be relied upon?

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RickStead wrote: 26 Apr 2007 03:38 .
A recent editorial in Canadian Stamp News stated the numerical grading would become the standard grading system in the not-too-distant future.

I'm doing this from memory, but I think it went on to say there would be no need for collectors to examine stamps anymore.

They would be graded by a certified agent and sealed in a clear holder for posterity.

This above is post 1 of this thread - 16 years back ... in 45 years of stamp dealing I have never, ever, handled one of this stoopid plastic coffins.

This stamp below was then, and is today, a common 10c retail stamp MUH, of which mega millions were printed and near all were well centred.

So DID this loopy American fad ever catch on?

Did it catch on, and did the world move to slabbed stamps as we were promised? Nope - even PSE stopped issuing these plastic tombs last year, as no-one was interested!

Like all fads, they crash and burn, when the number of new Bunnies slows to a trickle, as this one did.

Some brain dead Texas Oil Man etc paid $1000 for it, and might get back $10 today in the real world.



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Global Admin wrote: 28 Jul 2023 19:07
Some brain dead Texas Oil Man etc paid $1000 for it, and might get back $10 today in the real world.
And if I had the stamp, I probably would use it, along with several other stamps, to pay the current first class rate.
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But that cool plastic Coffin must surely have a collector value - for the Smithsonian etc .. 'another loopy American Fad from the last century'. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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