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Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 08:39
by eharper
Somebody will have to get Phoenix to add it to their post office list. I imagine it's probably very rare, but it's still unfortunately incomplete.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 09:00
by Kainnikanada
I have made several posts referring to Phoenix's incomplete listing. No one seems to agree ergo we have members here relying only on Phoenix as a source. It is neither exhaustive nor comprehensive. H&T although long out of date is still an adjunct for NSW as is Mishel's reverse listing. Unfortunately the latter did not publish a list for Victoria or the NT. I have his lists for: NSW, WA, Tas, SA and Qld.

Mishkel is now deceased and I am unable to contact his son to obtain permission to republish those lists. I must contact Geoff Kellow to seek permission.

I do not know if someone is documenting all the unlisted POs and their scans that have been sold in the recent Phoenix sales. Hopefully David is adding those to their listings. The assumption I made was that Phoenix would have used H & T as a foundation for their NSW listings.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 10:06
by Ubobo.R.O.
There is a backwards listing for Victoria in the Watson, Webster & Wood reference work Volume One.

Small datelines were introduced in 1957 at the same time machine made postmarks were.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 11:06
by eharper
I am aware that Phoenix is not completely comprehensive, but it's one of the better sources. I'm not actually sure where I would get a copy of H&T's book. I became aware of how incomplete the listings are when I couldn't find my unframed Yalca, Victoria postmark in their listings.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 11:22
by bathurst stamper
Hopson & Tobin's NSW books turn up from time to time on ebay and also at conventional auctions.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 12:11
by Kainnikanada
Terry,

Tobin states 1956 as the year the Postmaster-General's Department initiated changes to the engraving and composition of new style of date-stamps. This was shown in the excerpt I previously posted illustrating the Type 3(i)s etc.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 13:15
by eharper
I've never understood the point of small date and time wheels. Postmarks are supposed to indicate the place and time of posting, making it smaller makes it even harder to read and more likely to become unreadable due to smudging.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 14:30
by prtnz17
Kainnikanada wrote: ↑10 Jun 2024 09:00 I have made several posts referring to Phoenix's incomplete listing. No one seems to agree ergo we have members here relying only on Phoenix as a source. It is neither exhaustive nor comprehensive. H&T although long out of date is still an adjunct for NSW as is Mishel's reverse listing. Unfortunately the latter did not publish a list for Victoria or the NT. I have his lists for: NSW, WA, Tas, SA and Qld.
The Handheld Postmarks of South Australia and the Northern Territory have a complete listing of NT post offices and usages of cancels. Probably the most useful for those two states, better than Phoenix, but that's not to denigrate Phoenix their focus is really Victoria.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 10 Jun 2024 17:14
by eharper
Phoenix is like every other listing you can find, it's specialized in one state. It makes it hard for the general Australia postmark collector because you need to buy half a dozen different reference works, none of which are inexpensive.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 12 Jun 2024 01:13
by eharper
Just looked this one up on Phoenix and realized it's probably quite rare. Does anyone know the rarity rating for Entrance North, NSW? It's not the best postmark but at least it's readable. It's also a really odd name for a city.
Entrance North, NSW
Entrance North, NSW

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 12 Jun 2024 02:36
by simon m
There's one on sale on Ebay for $20 .From a seller who over prices most items.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 12 Jun 2024 03:05
by eharper
Most of the people on eBay don't know what they're selling or how valuable it is. I've gotten some really great bargains on eBay from sellers who have no idea what they're selling.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 12 Jun 2024 07:43
by bathurst stamper
eharper wrote: ↑12 Jun 2024 01:13 Just looked this one up on Phoenix and realized it's probably quite rare. Does anyone know the rarity rating for Entrance North, NSW? It's not the best postmark but at least it's readable. It's also a really odd name for a city.

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The Entrance is a town on the NSW central coast, so named as the entrance to Tuggerah Lakes is at the same place.

Entrance North PO was just north of there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entrance,_New_South_Wales

It's a wonderful place with loads of things to do for folks who like a coast, beach or lake environment.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 13 Jun 2024 23:44
by RogerE
simon m wrote: ↑12 Jun 2024 02:36 There's one on sale on Ebay for $20 .From a seller who over prices most items.
What is the eBay item number?


/RogerE πŸ¦‰

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 13 Jun 2024 23:49
by Ubobo.R.O.
And who sold it yesterday. See here:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/383208362374
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Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 13 Jun 2024 23:55
by eharper
There are people on the board who wait for things like this to be posted and immediately go out and buy it.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 03:08
by simon m
Indeed.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 09:27
by BigSaint

eharper

If you wanted it, why didn't you buy it? L@@ks like it was first listed on 20th October 2019.
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He who hesitates is lost! :roll:

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 09:56
by eharper
I didn't want to buy it, I already have one even if it's not quite as clear. I was simply pointing out that every time something is posted on the board someone snipes it from eBay almost as soon as it's posted. I bought mine for under US$1 so I wasn't about to pay that much for another one.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 10:01
by Ubobo.R.O.
Yeah Brad. Pay attention boy. :lol: :lol:

Looks like Edward's originally came off a registered cover. Shame. That would have been a $100+ item.
Even the single at $20 is cheap.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 10:15
by BigSaint

Obviously Stampboards is the place to advertise to sell these things. Raymond had that on eBay for nearly 7 years.

Perhaps Stampboards needs to charge a fee for these things. :lol:

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten !

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 10:18
by Ubobo.R.O.
Good idea. Sheriff. Over to you.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 10:40
by eharper
I've encountered more than a few stamps that were probably on covers that would have brought a lot more then the single stamp. I've even seen a first flight cover with one of the stamps soaked off.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 13:17
by eharper
Here's an interesting postmark, it seems to read Post Office at the top and something number No. 2 at the bottom.
Post Office.jpeg

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten !

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 13:22
by Ubobo.R.O.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 14 Jun 2024 16:16
by eharper
Thanks, interesting relief date stamp.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 19 Jun 2024 16:33
by Micky
Hi from Yili, Xinjiang.

Purchased a couple of pages of stamps for around $20Au. This one I was unable to find in PPA.

Springs M.R - Au 21
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Any idea :?:
Cheers

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 19 Jun 2024 17:07
by simon m
Three Springs M.R. West Australia.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 19 Jun 2024 17:41
by The Pom
From Phoenix:
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Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 19 Jun 2024 17:59
by simon m
The WA study group has the usage from 24/7/1911 to 20/9/1937. MR = Midland Railway.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 20 Jun 2024 01:44
by RogerE
simon m wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024 17:59 The WA study group has the usage from 24/7/1911 to 20/9/1937. MR = Midland Railway.
Thanks simon m for adding "MR = Midland Railway", a helpful clarification for many of us. :D

/RogerE πŸ¦‰

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 20 Jun 2024 02:00
by Micky
Great, thanks everyone. :)

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 20 Jun 2024 19:48
by Micky
Back again with what looks like TPO, any thoughts?
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Cheers from Xinjiang, China :D

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 20 Jun 2024 19:57
by eharper
Micky, I think this might be one of the T.P.O. E.G.F. postmarks. E.G.F. stands for Eastern Gold Fields. Here's an example from my collection.
T.P.O E G F, Western Australia.jpeg

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 20 Jun 2024 20:05
by Micky
eharper wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 19:57 Micky, I think this might be one of the T.P.O. E.G.F. postmarks. E.G.F. stands for Eastern Gold Fields. Here's an example from my collection.

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Cool postmark eharper and thanks, I got stuck on the G as it looks like an R and that lead me to a dead end :oops: oh cool and I only realised its dated on my birthday JY 26(not year).

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 20 Jun 2024 22:42
by RogerE
Micky wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024 19:48 Back again with what looks like TPO, any thoughts?

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Cheers from Xinjiang, China :D
The "T P O" is clear enough. But what follows doesn't look like "E G F" β€” the second letter looks more like "N" than "G", doesn't itβ€½

/RogerE πŸ¦‰

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 02:37
by Kainnikanada
Does this help?
WA query IMG_20240620_163806 -01.01 rot -01.01.jpg
WA Study Group PMI TPO EGF -02.00.jpg

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 02:47
by eharper
I believe there are four varieties of these postmarks, and the one you show seems to be the closest considering the position of the T. I also have this example but it's not as clear. The real problem is that the space for the E in Micky's postmark seems to be much further away from the O.
T.P.O.E.G.F., Western Australia.jpg

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 03:03
by eharper
Actually if you look in the Western Australia postmark site my first example doesn't really match any of the ones they show. The T on mine is higher then it should be. But the problem is that a lot of their examples are not actual photographs of the postmarks but illustrations.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 03:07
by Kainnikanada
I noticed the inconsistency as well. Sketches should have been replaced with actual strikes for improved accuracy & comparisons.

The 'F' of your recent example is slightly different in position compared to Micky's strike.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 03:11
by Micky
It may help when I get back to Australia in 2 weeks and scan it, it may pick up that little bit more to help.

Thank you Roger, eharper and Kainnikanada. :)

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 03:58
by eharper
The spacing on Micky's example is exceedingly different in many ways, and what should be a G definitely doesn't look like one. But the spacing makes it seem unlikely it's anything but a TPO.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 05:32
by Kainnikanada
eharper wrote: ↑21 Jun 2024 03:58 The spacing on Micky's example is exceedingly different in many ways, and what should be a G definitely doesn't look like one. But the spacing makes it seem unlikely it's anything but a TPO.
I concur. As well, the slope of the supposed 'E' of Mic ky's example does not agree with the sketch I posted from the "PMI".

eharpher,

Can you post a collage of the examples you have? ...or have we seen all of them?

Your 2Β½d swan is "TPO EG 4", I believe.

We may have to await another scan from Micky after he arrives back in Aussie.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 06:29
by eharper
Those are the only two I have. None of them have the E so far away from the O. I thought the supposed P might be an A with one of the legs missing, but there's still nothing that would fit with TA either.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 06:41
by Kainnikanada
I, too, looked at that 'T' as a potential 'A' but I could not see evidence, even slight, of a partial right leg to it, to make it into an 'A'.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 21 Jun 2024 07:38
by eharper
Even if it was, the spacing is completely wrong for a normal postmark. Here's another TPO EGF postmark I found on Delcampe. It's on a postcard going from Coolgardie, WA to Dover, England.
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Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 22 Jun 2024 22:00
by eharper
This one is a bit of a puzzle. Carina, Queensland with something removed. The steel date stamps book only mentions ones with the code removed but this is obviously missing a lot more than a code.
Carina, Queensland
Carina, Queensland

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 22 Jun 2024 22:31
by davidtoo
Here is the complete postmark with the code with code removed under
Carina type 5.jpg

Carina type 5x.jpg
They are the same cancel with SE7 removed in the lower example

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 22 Jun 2024 22:48
by eharper
Thanks.

Re: Australia stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Posted: 30 Jun 2024 09:23
by RLMS
Looking for some help with this one.
pm.jpg
pm 2.jpg
First thought was Strathfield but there is 1 letter missing, no 'F'.

Richard