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Global Administrator wrote: 30 Aug 2020 20:10 .
Paper physical dimensions size might alter by a tiny fraction of a mm after any soaking. Impossible to measure it. :mrgreen:

As outlined clearly above SIZING is an additive to the stamp paper.

Every amateur alchemist witch-doctor who bleaches and fiddles and otherwise degrades stamp paper loses or decreases that sizing, with each mad hatter experiment. Do it several times, and you have a limp and sad and faded blotting paper quality, sad mush. :evil:

Their stamps - they can cut them into pieces if they choose or dip them into tar etc. Seems a shame though.

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In book binding we bathe very old papers with distilled water, sometimes chemicals are introduced, like ethanol, liquid Mylar, et al, in extreme cases, to rinse off debris.

Unless one is a paper restoration specialist the question is rudimentary to me. I.e. your comment that the patinas are preferred to a "cleaned" paper (or coin). I conserve old documents & I can tell you yes, foxing is a problem. One never tries to do anything other than CONSERVE.

This usually means removing dirt, grime, etc., & leaves the document as "original" as possible. That stated, conserved papers, that finish brighter, are not necessarily frowned upon, unless chemically induced. Papers ARE different, requiring different techniques for each, & sizing is a relatively new process.

Old papers often come out "brighter" after common (water) cleansing. Anything that takes away ANY of the original is generally a conservation "No-No" unless it is detrimental to the piece, such as acidic gums, etc.

If there is an element that IS a detriment & can't be removed, every effort is spent in SLOWING the process of degradation.

Having gum definitely throws a "don't touch" into the mix. I would caution anyone attempting any type of "conservation / cleaning." Any good paper conservationist will "ditto" the above.

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Stapper wrote: 22 Jun 2021 01:37
Catweazle wrote: 22 Jun 2021 01:32

Thoughts on these?

Great covers, but far from the best condition. Note those browning hues around the stamps – perhaps a nice hot bath for a start?

Is this the same mess seen throughout these threads? Is it the gum that was effected, and now that's been spreading further afield?

I'm wondering if I should start being real picky about future material, and leave such things behind. These were from a box lot (typical!) – other covers were fine but these not so.



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IMHO, If those stamps are not rare, I would throw them away - too much foxing/rust
Is there a safe way to inhibit this rusting process, or will they only get worse over time?
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Catweazle wrote:Is there a safe way to inhibit this rusting process, or will they only get worse over time?


If on cover, generally no. Dabbing some rust remover on perf tips is about all you can do. If it is an expensive cover (and I mean expensive), then an archival restorer can remove and inhibit further rust. But the cover really has to be worth it $$$$$.

For an el-cheapo cover (like those shown), simply sell it and replace it.
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Catweazle wrote: 28 Jun 2021 16:19
Stapper wrote: 22 Jun 2021 01:37
Catweazle wrote: 22 Jun 2021 01:32


Thoughts on these?

Great covers, but far from the best condition. Note those browning hues around the stamps – perhaps a nice hot bath for a start?

Is this the same mess seen throughout these threads? Is it the gum that was effected, and now that's been spreading further afield?

I'm wondering if I should start being real picky about future material, and leave such things behind. These were from a box lot (typical!) – other covers were fine but these not so.



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IMHO, If those stamps are not rare, I would throw them away - too much foxing/rust
Is there a safe way to inhibit this rusting process, or will they only get worse over time?
Rust is a fungus and fungus is destroyed when freezing below -20°C. Put them in freezer for a week and the fungus is gone.

BTW, This is done when archives are flooded etc. The spots will still be there.

When washing them with luke warm water, they can be cleaned, but that will destroy the covers.

I did it with stockbooks I bought and where I was not sure if they where not contaminated. After the freezing, let them air for a few weeks and if you smell fungus, throw them away.

Stamps not showing decolloration can be kept, but not with other stamps.

BUT, the fungus will be dead, the spores not. And although spores are everywhere, the concentration in the paper will be very high due to the living fungus inside. Those will germ as soon as humidity and temperature are ideal.

If you intend to keep them, keep them separated from the rest of your collection, in a different album and a different cupboard.

Personally, if the stamps are common, I would throw them away.

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Stapper wrote:Personally, if the stamps are common, I would throw them away.


Agree. I wouldn't bother playing amateur chemist. If you have a really valuable stamp or cover that you can't replace, then look at spending some $$ on professional restoration or conservation treatment.
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I was curious about the fungus so I put a foxed stamp under the microscope. These images show a foxed perforation with reflected light and transmitted light.

Fungal hyphae straddling a foxed perforation on a postage stamp
Fungal hyphae straddling a foxed perforation on a postage stamp

Transmitted light photomicrograph of fungal hyphae with possible fruiting bodies straddling the perforation hole. This is probably a dead/dormant fungus as the stamp has now been in dry conditions for a long time.
Transmitted light photomicrograph of fungal hyphae with possible fruiting bodies straddling the perforation hole. This is probably a dead/dormant fungus as the stamp has now been in dry conditions for a long time.

Possible secretion or metabolites from fungal decomposition of postage stamp paper coating and/or fibres
Possible secretion or metabolites from fungal decomposition of postage stamp paper coating and/or fibres

And here's the stamp. I am still waiting for my proper reflected-light illuminator to arrive so I had to shine a light from the side.
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Malaya wrote: 10 Aug 2021 23:40 I was curious about the fungus so I put a foxed stamp under the microscope. These images show a foxed perforation with reflected light and transmitted light.
Impressive ! Thanks for sharing
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Hello folks! I've seen many German covers in an impeccable condition but with toned gum accumulated on perforation tips or around them.

Is it foxing (fungus) or just an excess of the gum darkened over the years?

I've attached a few examples below.

Shall I worry about it?

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A stamp on a normal envelope has gum and the envelope paper does not.

Moisture/humidity is attracted to stamp gum clearly, and that is why perf tips tone or fox.

It WILL get worse of course in time. Think of it as rotting floorboards or timber decking etc. Does ignoring the issue somehow restore them to new condition? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thanks The Sheriff!

I used to limit the scope of my collection only to stamps but recently decided to expand it to include ordinary mail covers and so far it has been an arduous journey! :)

Postal stationary seems to be more prone to foxing/rust/stains than the actual stamps (I guess in part due to more negligent storage conditions), making it much harder to find a nice addition to my collection.
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Wow – that's incredible, Malaya.

Certainly gives us an idea of what is out there!

Sure beats the LH watermark detector! :lol:
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dunelm wrote: 14 Oct 2021 12:42 Postal stationary seems to be more prone to foxing/rust/stains than the actual stamps (I guess in part due to more negligent storage conditions), making it much harder to find a nice addition to my collection.
I suspect poor quality paper is more prone to foxing & rust stains than high quality paper.

The following quote is from the article at this website:

https://www.conservation-wiki.com/wiki/BPG_Foxing

"The extent of foxing appears to be in direct proportion to methods used in the manufacture of paper. It is possible that the potential for foxing is created when the sheet is first made - the foxing only becomes visible later when storage conditions encourage it. Factors include the poor preparation of fibers, impurities in the pulp and the water added to it, and poor bleaching with chlorine. On the other hand, papers manufactured with a high magnesium or calcium carbonate content are less likely to be foxed. "

Postal stationary -- especially that from the 1950s and before -- is not usually printed on high quality paper.
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Hi all,

This topic seems to have a number of differing opinions. So I thought I would add my own given my experience as a collector and as a Chemist. Little did I know that one day my job and hobby would overlap. Firstly here is what I believe :

1.Rusting is caused by a fungus and there are a number of types that can affect paper.
2.It is spread by spores so one infected stamp can spread to others very easily.
3.Stamps with even the slightest sign of rusting should be removed at once from the collection.
4.Treat rusting of stamps as you would an infectious illness in humans in that both spread rapidly.

Therefore what does one do with these rusted stamps that have now been removed from the collection???

I had this problem as in 2015 I checked each stamp in my collection for rusting and removed those affected, there were quite a few casualties.

Rather than dump the lot I decided to go down the chemical treatment route to see what would be the best method to restore the stamps.

The method that worked best was one I found in the APS website under the section wet cleaning of stamps.
The method is to make a solution of 1 part bleach to 10 parts tepid water. Using a tongs, soak the stamp for one minute. Then place in pure water to remove bleach.

Using this method I bleached all my rusted stamps and was very pleased with the results.

I should point out at this point that all the affected stamps were modern, there was no stamp from prior to 1950. I would therefore believe that this method would not be suitable for those stamps.

Yes I had to bite the bullet when it came to soaking mint rusted stamps.

I am posting a few pictures of the stamps in the post below for you to see.

I decided to house all these bleached stamps in a childhood album using hinges, which is kept in a separate room from my main collection for safety.

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So having looked at the above scans of the stamps , and the bleaching method used, I would be grateful for any advice on what I have done.

I'm a newbie here and looking forward to hearing as many voices of experience on this.

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Oh dear it looks like this thread has gone dead. No replies.
Also very little fanfare about malays wonderful microscope pictures of the rusting. Proof if ever it was needed that it is caused by a fungus..
This is a great service to stamp collectors in the fight against rusting.
Well done malaya. The most important post I have read on stamp boards.
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Hi KK

Just looked at your album pictures, the stamps look very clean now, with no foxing that I can see - that must be a success!

I might try your method on some of my rusted specimens, rather than throwing them away.

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Thanks so much Graham for your reply. It means a lot.
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How would anyone know it was a success when no before images were posted?
Do you have any before images - how bad the foxing was, what intensity of colour the stamps were?

And nearly everyone already knows that you can just bleach a stamp. A 10% solution of bleach would have me running for the hills in despair.

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Allanswood wrote: 12 Mar 2022 12:23 How would anyone now it was a success when no 'before' images were posted?

Exactly ... and we are asked to believe these magically restored very common stamps, worth a few $1 the entire lot, were then hinged BACK onto the cheapest, low quality, highly acidic, 60-year-old paper, of the kind that will have caused the foxing in the first place. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It is akin to washing your gardening clothes, drying them, and then tossing them back into the mud puddle to store them. No-one sane does that.

We have an alleged 'Chemist' telling us he has never heard of acid free paper and storage methods, here it seems.

THAT is a key prevention step to stop stamps rusting.

Here is my new car I assembled from discarded and rusty old parts .. sorry - I never took photos of those!

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Firstly, this operation was was carried out long before I was a member of stamp boards so there is no before photos.
Secondly, I regard these stamps as tainted because I have bleached them so I am not really worried about the fact that I put them into an old childhood album with acidic paper. That was just a little pet project of mine.
If you read my first post you would clearly see I am fully aware of the dangers of rusting.
I use only lighthouse stock books to store my UN-foxed never treated stamps and even go a step further by using special plastic pockets(designed for storing stamps with softeners and other stamp harmful chemicals removed which my local stamp dealer in Cork Ireland recommended)
I am going to start a a new thread on this method of storage using the plastic pockets to se what people think.
But, hey, I must be making progress if I get a reply from the sheriff!!!!!.
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Also well done on your auto restoration but I still think my stamps are better.
Also check out the catalogue value of the Russian and Chinese stamps. You say the lot is worth just a few $1.????
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My own experience with such stamps that suffer from foxing and toning, I will tell you some of the causes. My own stamps that ended up with foxing were due to exposure with bad mount (Crystal Mount) that turned them brown and also glazed them.

And I can acknowledge as a former smoker a lot of the toning you see on stamps are due to being in a smokers collection (Nicotene) Those conditions alone can reach much more havoc then temperature or humidity. It is also important to use acid free paper and to avoid anything remotely resembling PVC.

If your plastic pages emit a chemical smell, then you should best just throw them out!
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I noticed when I was mounting up French stamps when I was checking their backs for thins and pencil marks. Half of the stamps were white or off-white, and the other half had a grayish-brown haze.

Those were the ones from the smoking homes because they resembled trading cards that I have with similarly stained corners.

I would even venture to go as far and say at least half of the worlds stamps are damaged due to (a) nicotene or (b) polyvinylchlorine. And if BOTH are present, then the damage is accelerated.

And the sad thing about it is, is that once such damage happens, it really can't be cleaned or repaired. :(
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Two identical sets of stamps.




Each were mounted differently.
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And now the backs. You can tell how they were mounted. The top trios backs show the damage from the hinges (I usually used Denissons).



The bottom 3 backs have slid a little and are harder to see. There is no hinge damage because they were never hinged. But they were (Crystal) mounted. They may be hard to see, but there are rows of black vertical lines on the backs of all three. I can't really tell on my computer screen because my monitor has an annoying tinge to it. Perhaps you can see it.
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I do not agree with the so-called experts who say you have to air out your stamps to best protect them.
Because it is the exposure to air (particulates = smoke) that turns stamp paper from white to smoky grey.

And if there is any acid present whether it's from paper or (PVC) plastic that is what causes the foxing. The ugly brown and black.

To prevent this you have to have your stamps, pieces, covers, etc. in an inert state.
Not in a vacuum, but minimize air exposure.

To do this use archival mounting like Prinz, Schaubecks, or Showgards (I prefer the split-backs).
Make sure you use acid free paper to mount them on.
Use wrap-around sheet protectors.
Use non-Pvc binders (Preferably with slipcovers).
Or use archival stockbooks that have no acid paper or PVC.

If you have any doubt about the plasic you are using, then give it the sniff test.
The chemical smell gives the PVC away every time.
The archival plastic you want to use is polyethylene or polypropelene which emits very little smell.

PVC is an archivists worst enemy. It will doom your stamps.
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:!: and one final word about PVC:

If your plastic pages have turned the same smoky grey of badly toned stamps, then they are most likely PVC pages.

And check for adherence. If both sides of the pocket stick to each other, then whatever is in that pocket will be stuck also.

I had some first day covers in PVC pages. And when I realized too late what was afoot and tried to remove them I had a dickens of a time trying to dislodge them. They were hopelessly stuck, and some of the covers were damaged by the time I got them all out.
It wouldn't have been so bad, except for the fact that all the damage was done to the stamps of the covers. :evil:

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As mentioned in my intro one of my first tasks was to clean up my collection.

I did a Friday night Foxing and Faults purge of one of my folders. Ended up with a big haul and large empty spaces on many pages. Part of the the first haul is shown below (with reduced scan sizes).

Certainly some nastiness going on, especially the AAT, they were horrible.
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Now onto more purging! I'll certainly have a much smaller collection after all this is said and done....sniff

My main concerns is stopping the spread to neighbouring and currently clean looking stamps. Yet to determine those next steps.

Any new additions will definitely need to be quarantined from what I currently have, purged or not.
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I have found more "foxed out" stamps.
Equatorial Guinea, unsure of year (1970ish)
Equatorial Guinea, unsure of year (1970ish)
foxing on back gum, horizontal pattern, crystal mount most likely culprit.
foxing on back gum, horizontal pattern, crystal mount most likely culprit.
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A lot of these examples I am finding are on newer stamps are on used CTO stamps with gum.
The slime goes after the gum side first, then bleeds through to the front.
The backs of these dinosaur stamps are as ugly as my improvised album page.
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Those have NOTHING to do with rust or foxing and all to do with brain dead album choices.

Do not get me started on the dozens of Brain Dead MORONS a year who send me stamps stored in Chinese made PHOTO ALBUMS, with those clever closely parallel WAX STRIPES on them, that LIQUIFY in our humid climate, RUINING forever, anything stupidly placed on them, and transferring the wax strips to the stamps. :roll: :roll: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

"They were far, far cheaper than those expensive "Lighthouse" stock-books, that the stamp dealers were selling."

See FDC or covers, with lines of yellowy golden parallel lines across the back, and chunks of thinned paper missing, where they stuck too tight - and these $5 books are the culprit. :roll: :roll:

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Yes, but I have removed such stamps from my collection.
And I have used nothing but Harris albums and mounts.
I have had a lifetime of experience messing with stamps.
And I don't need any wankers telling me what causes foxing, because I know.
Anyway, such stamps that are used and gummed could probably be cleaned up fairly well in a soak of water with a tad bit of bleach.
Since the stamp is used anyway, the gum on the back is pretty much moot.
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I have never used photo albums on my stamps and covers.

So, explain to me, Mr. Sherif, the exisentence of slime on my stamps and covers?
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Duurhh.

Maybe you bought this stuff from some Moron who DID use them - ever think of that bright idea? :roll: :roll: :roll:

OR are you telling us you bought this garish wallpaper 50 years ago as a new issue? Get real.
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I see that a lot of the people on Stampboards are stamp peddlers.
And it is against their best interests to let anybody give tips on the proper ways to care stamps.
Because they would rather sell replacement stamps to the next generation of stamp collectors who have stamps all skoded out by foxing due to interaction with PVC.
Just like they sell replacement stamps for all the stamps that were all pencilled on back by anal retentive collectors who put catalog numbers on their backs because no one told them that it damages the stamps.
But you killjoys won't ruin my fun. ;)
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Sorry, but I think your quite mistaken for the causes of damage to your stamps and what you understand to be "foxing". And I think it best if you tone down the unveiled insults to other members. There are pages here of sound advice, from members and dealers. Those dealers have offered exactly the same advice about storing stamps as you!

Bad storage and for some, long term storage in acidic materials will cause acid burn, toning and discoloration and premature aging of the paper of stamps. It does not cause rust as such. Rust is brought on by a combination of bad stale air storage in the wrong storage medium with humidity and warmth over a period of time - perfect storm for rust.

Rust does not cause parallel lines to form on the back of stamps. It cause blotches like measles.
Bad and acidic storage will brown the entire back of a stamp, make the paper brittle and aged.
Stamps that have survived being taken out of those 1970's sticky photo album's will have those lines on them and the acid burn along with it.

You can pencil in the cat number on the back of stamp if you like, just make sure it's a soft pencil and can be rubbed off easily enough. But many anally retentive collectors wouldn't dream of doing that, they just add a note on the page where the stamp is mounted, or under the hinge

If you have a destroyed set of 1970's cheapy "printed for kiddies packets" never used for postage "CTO" stamps, but you like them, then if a dealer has a set going cheap that is clean and undamaged then why wouldn't you replace them?

I think there's a bit of history here, between the lines, that we not hearing about.
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Global Administrator wrote: 04 May 2022 04:28 Those have NOTHING to do with rust or foxing and all to do with brain dead album choices.

Do not get me started on the dozens of Brain Dead MORONS a year who send me stamps stored in Chinese made PHOTO ALBUMS, with those clever closely parallel WAX STRIPES on them, that LIQUIFY in our humid climate, RUINING forever, anything stupidly placed on them, and transferring the wax strips to the stamps. :roll: :roll: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

"They were far, far cheaper than those expensive "Lighthouse" stock-books, that the stamp dealers were selling."

See FDC or covers, with lines of yellowy golden parallel lines across the back, and chunks of thinned paper missing, where they stuck too tight - and these $5 books are the culprit. :roll: :roll:

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Your argument holds as much water as a bucket with a hole in it.
You produce stamp that are foxed horizontally like mine.
Than you reference a scudzy old photobook that is ribbed diagonally.
So, were the stamps in there at a 45 degree angle?
I think not!
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Everyone else in this thread is showing stained stamps and talking about cleaning them.
Or throwing them out.
I show some of mine and talk about possible cause and effects.
And talk about prevention of such damage.
And I get trolled for my efforts.
Well, I will not be trolled by the big bad Sharif and the rest of you so-called experts!
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I ran across something online called the stamp collectors Bill of Rights.
It means you can collect any way you want.
So keep using PVC.
Or hinges, or crystal mount, or scotch tape.
Keep using them Avery Binders that have the panels fall off at the hinge, like perfs that seperate from too much bending. It is not me who can tell you how to collect.
I have suggestions only, based on my own observations and deductions.
But you will not tell me what I can say!
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moondog0 wrote: 04 May 2022 13:57
Your argument holds as much water as a bucket with a hole in it.

You produce stamp that are foxed horizontally like mine.

Than you reference a scudzy old photobook that is ribbed diagonally.

BECAUSE, you clueless contrarian dope, as anyone with an IQ in double digits realises, except those in Nebraska, many of these cheap photo albums had HORIZONTAL wax lines Hence your ruined garish sand dunes wallpaper and the other ones shown.

It is not 'rust' as you keep bleating - it is liquified WAX lines on the reverses due to total the stupidity of anyone storing stamps in these stupid things.

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This should help.
Photo album with horizontal wax strips.
Photo album with horizontal wax strips.
I wish my parants and grandparants never used these things.Over the years they have inflicted all sorts of damage to what was kept inside of them.

Notice the discoloured horizontal wax lines and discolouration of card stock ,especially patches of foxing along the edge of the top and bottom of the pages possibly encouraged by the oils in the wax and dampness in the cheap nasty card stock used to make these things.

I have seen so many childrens collections ruined beyond help in these things.A few of my stamp collecting mates used them back in the 70's.I guess where a cheap stamp album was not avaluble then a cheap photo album would do instead.
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Exactly -- millions of those stamp coffins were used by idiots too cheap to buy a stockbook.

None in Nebraska of course as our resident genius there has never seen one or heard of one. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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BECAUSE, you clueless contrarian dope, as anyone with an IQ in double digits realises, except those in Nebraska, many of these cheap photo albums had HORIZONTAL wax lines Hence your ruined garish sand dunes wallpaper and the other ones shown.

It is not 'rust' as you keep bleating - it is liquified WAX lines on the reverses due to total the stupidity of anyone storing stamps in these stupid things.

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I agree, those photo albums are a disaster for stamps.

Lighthouse stockbooks are the way to go, but I wonder how long should you keep the stamps in a stockbook before rehousing in a new one, since over time even top quality stockbooks may need to be replaced due to ageing and rusting.

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So any answers to the above question on the shelf life of a stockbook??

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Kilowarekid wrote: 22 Jun 2022 02:09 So any answers to the above question on the shelf life of a stockbook??

There isn't a single "one size fits all" answer, as there are too many factors involved.
Humidity, presence of spores (a favourable environment).

As a rule of thumb, I think you should check each stockbook "at least every couple of years" in a hostile environment, and maybe every every five years in the stable North Yorkshire climate.

From a quality stockbook, delivered new, I'd expect 20 years life comfortably,
.... but maybe only half that "if left in a garage, unchecked and undisturbed"

For those in the tropics, I've seen stuff destroyed in under five years.

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That's the downside of black pages – any toning or rusting or foxing or mould is far less obvious.

White pages don't look anywhere near as good, but at least you can quickly see if the stockbook is 'dying' and need to be replaced.

By the way, this sounds like the beginnings for a Sci-fi horror type film.

You know, where the fungal jungle posted by Malaya above starts to grow, starts to expand and moves across the pages before slowly multiplying and turning into a malicious alien life-force that seeks to destroy the poor philatelist and our dear planet Earth... :shock: :lol:
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Thanks so much for the advice here on stockbooks.
Yes mould is the horror of the philatelist.

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Hi Kilowarekid - was just about to post a question as to whether a toned stamp can cross infect other un-toned stamps - looks like your feedback is DEFINITELY - I'll go back through my collection now and isolate the said offenders :D
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