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Found this two site that expose all those crazy dealings of illegal stamps, and so called "legitimate" stamps.


stamp-scandal.com.ar

http://www.pwmo.org/articles/rough-trade.htm

One link leads to another, you can't finish reading them!
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Thanks Ausfoo, its great, had a look and read some of it, Rwanda putting out pornographic stamps, I mean wow adds a new perspective to a dirty nursery rhyme we sang as kids, it went "There was a couple from Rwanda, who were XXXXXXX on a veranda". :lol:

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What is going on in philately? I really hate wallpaper stamps. Who are those guys buying them than makes this business thrive?

Wallpaper stamps are not cheap! They have a HIGH face value!!
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Hi ausfoo, just read most of this link you provided. Very interesting.

Do you feel that it's a bit late to do anything now? A bit like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted?

There are a huge number of people who do collect these "illegal" stamps now. And the money involved for the people who put them out is way too much for them to say 'ok I'm sorry...I'll stop making these anymore'.

It's a shame really when there is so much 'legal' stuff out there to collect. Money talks very loudly these days!

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I've purchased stamps from a few of the listed eBay dealers in the "rough trade" link. I had absolutely no idea that wallpaper stamps were so prevalent. I chronicled a book of cinderellas that I'd unwittingly purchased in another thread, below.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=37265

I really love stamps. I don't mind the CTOs and I'm fine with overproduction by countries looking to make a buck (well, I can tolerate it). But I simply hate stamps that aren't legitimate. Now I'm afraid they may have infested my collection, like termites. As much as I like collecting worldwide, it seems the safest thing to do is stick to a small number of countries -- avoiding Africa, Russia/USSR/Soviet Republics and the Middle East (racist, though it may sound) -- and study their releases to grow my knowledge base.

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erikc67 wrote:As much as I like collecting worldwide, it seems the safest thing to do is stick to a small number of countries -- avoiding Africa, Russia/USSR/Soviet Republics and the Middle East (racist, though it may sound) -- and study their releases to grow my knowledge base.
Whilst agreeing that a worldwide collection is now very difficult, especially used, the stamps produced by the legitimate post offices of the places you mentioned can be very interesting, and indeed quite scarce. And some of these countries are conservative in their output.
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norvic wrote:
erikc67 wrote:As much as I like collecting worldwide, it seems the safest thing to do is stick to a small number of countries -- avoiding Africa, Russia/USSR/Soviet Republics and the Middle East (racist, though it may sound) -- and study their releases to grow my knowledge base.
Whilst agreeing that a worldwide collection is now very difficult, especially used, the stamps produced by the legitimate post offices of the places you mentioned can be very interesting, and indeed quite scarce. And some of these countries are conservative in their output.
I agree generally with this view. The sand-dune countries and several African countries that churn out wall-paper do our hobby a dis-service. The Eastern bloc countries which Eric67 rightly identifies as part of the problem in the 60's to 80's are legitimate stamp issuing countries and most of their stamps can be located postally used unlike the stamp-dune countries and others which are only available mint or CTO.

I no longer include many of these countries in my world collection.

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One of the main problems I'd like to highlight is many of these wallpapers produced by agents for these countries involve corruption in their postal departments. (If they are found to be legitimate stamps).

These countries never realise issuing these wallpapers will just make collector avoiding their countries' stamps. I still do not get it, WHO buys these wallpapers? Look at the FV of Liberian wallpapers. They are not cheap! And they are not admissible in FIP Thematic exhibits, they are expensive, they are not well designed.

It is a really wrong step for a postal authority to let Dodgy stamp agencies take care of their philatelic affairs. Look at Timor Leste, they are poor, they are still unstable, but seems like they have not given into any dodgy agencies yet. Time will tell.

It seems like Solomon Islands has recently given into the temptation of using a dodgy Agency to produce their stamps.

Recently many wallpapers were issued for Guinea Bissau. I doubt they even made it into Bissau itself. Some of them even feature Lady Gaga! Scott does not list them, but the agencies might have been authorised to print stamps for them (it kinda involves corruption in these agreements). UPU should really tell these Postal Authorities that employing the aid of these dodgy agencies really spoils their reputation. I would really like to see the day where Guinea Bissau issues and designs their own stamps - feturing their local lifestyles etc.(even with primitive photos).
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With all these poor countries agreeing for these agencies to print load of wallpapers for them,

Are they never worried one day some dealer might just hop into their country and use them up for postage? And send tons and tons of mails with it!

Their POs might end up in huge deficit!
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ausfoo wrote:One of the main problems I'd like to highlight is many of these wallpapers produced by agents for these countries involve corruption in their postal departments. (If they are found to be legitimate stamps).

These countries never realise issuing these wallpapers will just make collector avoiding their countries' stamps. I still do not get it, WHO buys these wallpapers? Look at the FV of Liberian wallpapers. They are not cheap! And they are not admissible in FIP Thematic exhibits, they are expensive, they are not well designed.

It is a really wrong step for a postal authority to let Dodgy stamp agencies take care of their philatelic affairs. Look at Timor Leste, they are poor, they are still unstable, but seems like they have not given into any dodgy agencies yet. Time will tell.

It seems like Solomon Islands has recently given into the temptation of using a dodgy Agency to produce their stamps.

Recently many wallpapers were issued for Guinea Bissau. I doubt they even made it into Bissau itself. Some of them even feature Lady Gaga! Scott does not list them, but the agencies might have been authorised to print stamps for them (it kinda involves corruption in these agreements). UPU should really tell these Postal Authorities that employing the aid of these dodgy agencies really spoils their reputation. I would really like to see the day where Guinea Bissau issues and designs their own stamps - feturing their local lifestyles etc.(even with primitive photos).

Agree with you, a lot of Pacific administrations are turning to these crooks, or at least using IGPC, Tuvalu Island stuff started with the Leaders of the World (1983 -1986) fiasco and the Solomons were sunk with that Americas Cup crap, and the IGPC are quickly ruining Fiji and PNG (Fiji and Samoa put out Europa sets in 2006) although Samoa has an excellent reputation and puts out very few stamps each year. Pitcairns has even eased back, but at least their's are honest and they are relevant (Famous Pitcairners, the Bounty - okay done to death!!!, but its Pitcairn, even its dodgiest issue - Cats of Pitcairn was at least local, unlike an Abraham Lincoln issue of PNG).
Cook Islands used to be the worst from 1966 to 1990 and then got better but now have a group called Philatelic Collector (A New York based outfit ) producing stamps with $31 face values and Tonga has joined in.

Still compared to Liberia, Guyana, Gambia and Ghana and those Caribbean Island they are soft at this stage.

One guy in our circuit books was selling illegals, but I have noticed his books have disappeared lately and he was selling them cheap (Usually 2 or 3), but the fact this rubbish gets in club level is a sign its every where.

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Solomon Islands is going a REALLY REALLY wrong step. Dodgy TITANIC and birds of prey wallpaper and even Marilyn Monroe!! And look at the FV! 63.00 Solomon Isl Dollars per sheet! They were never issuing stamps of these kind of FV a year ago!

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The super dodgy agency STAMPERIJA (that currently produces somewhat "illegal" Guinea Bissau stamp) has taken over the Solomon Islands stamp affairs!

Solomon Islands used to be in my healthy list of stamps, until now!
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There was an article in Gibbons Stamp Monthly years ago where the view from the Gambian (IIRC) post office was given. Many of these countries which issue stamps through these agencies are poor or have more important things to spend money on rather than producing stamps. By using an agency, the country's post office does benefit - they are saved the costs of designing and producing stamps and there is a steady income from the agency (either from sales or the rights to produce stamps on their behalf). An agency is only going to produce stamps which sell (hence the proliferation of Disney, sports etc. stamps).

The issues don't necessarily reflect the country and often turn people off the country's stamps but I think it is important to look at their point of view too. Also, an agency would not continue to produce stamps on certain topics if they didn't sell.
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This is just harmful to philately. Don't they care the reputation of their country? Once we hear of these countries all that comes to our mind of their current issues - WALLPAPERS.

No one answered my query yet: WHO buys these super expensive high FV wallpapers?
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ausfoo wrote:This is just harmful to philately. Don't they care the reputation of their country? Once we hear of these countries all that comes to our mind of their current issues - WALLPAPERS.

No one answered my query yet: WHO buys these super expensive high FV wallpapers?
Yes they are, but many of these countries are struggling to survive. They have other priorities, such as feeding their people, rather than worrying about the philatelic reputation of their country.

Who buys them? Thematic/topical collectors often do. As I said above the agencies wouldn't produce these if they didn't sell.
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stampchris wrote:
ausfoo wrote:This is just harmful to philately. Don't they care the reputation of their country? Once we hear of these countries all that comes to our mind of their current issues - WALLPAPERS.

No one answered my query yet: WHO buys these super expensive high FV wallpapers?
Yes they are, but many of these countries are struggling to survive. They have other priorities, such as feeding their people, rather than worrying about the philatelic reputation of their country.

Who buys them? Thematic/topical collectors often do. As I said above the agencies wouldn't produce these if they didn't sell.
Do thematic / topical collectors buy them? They are normally frowned upon by true thematic philatelists. Even the FIP Regulations for thematic exhibits does not allow the usage of these stamps in exhibits.
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I don't understand why countries have now not been using Crown Agents / CASCO that widely anymore. Crown Agents are always conservative and trusted.

If a country wants to tender out its philatelic affairs to an agency, it should be tendered to Crown Agents!

Maybe Crown Agents' deals are less attractive..
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Interesting reference to the 'snobby Peter Jennings' who writes in Gibbons Stamp Monthly.

He is the pompous person who lists his titles or awards after his name and hobnobs with celebrities.

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ausfoo wrote:Solomon Islands is going a REALLY REALLY wrong step. Dodgy TITANIC and birds of prey wallpaper and even Marilyn Monroe!! And look at the FV! 63.00 Solomon Isl Dollars per sheet! They were never issuing stamps of these kind of FV a year ago!

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https://www.stamperija.eu/en/stamp/102462/oceania/102464/solo ... ate=103185

The super dodgy agency STAMPERIJA (that currently produces somewhat "illegal" Guinea Bissau stamp) has taken over the Solomon Islands stamp affairs!

Solomon Islands used to be in my healthy list of stamps, until now!
The Solomon Islands produced several high value issues in the early 2000s. For example:

2004 Orchids 10 stamps face value of $38
2004 Birds 15 stamps face value of $87.60
2005 Trafalgar 24 stamps face value of $117
2005 Europa 12 stamps and 6 sheets face value of $142.40
2005 Royal Year 12 stamps face value of $71.20
2005 Birds 15 stamps face value of $87.60
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ausfoo wrote:I don't understand why countries have now not been using Crown Agents / CASCO that widely anymore. Crown Agents are always conservative and trusted.

If a country wants to tender out its philatelic affairs to an agency, it should be tendered to Crown Agents!

Maybe Crown Agents' deals are less attractive..
All the issues I listed above for Solomon Islands in 2004 and 2005 were produced by the Crown Agents/CASCO.
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stampchris wrote: The Solomon Islands produced several high value issues in the early 2000s. For example:

2004 Orchids 10 stamps face value of $38
2004 Birds 15 stamps face value of $87.60
2005 Trafalgar 24 stamps face value of $117
2005 Europa 12 stamps and 6 sheets face value of $142.40
2005 Royal Year 12 stamps face value of $71.20
2005 Birds 15 stamps face value of $87.60
In 2004/5 it wasn't bad. They were limited to single stamp sets (although high FV). Try checking out the link I provided. They have currently issued 12 sheetlets for the Solomon Islands in 2012 alone (that the start of it!). All priced at $63.00 PER Sheet.

The stamperija link I provided does not show the stamp prices unless you register with them. They are even offering IMPERF versions of all the sheetlets priced at 25.00 Euros per sheet!

So can I say it is getting far worse than 2004/5?

Last year, it was possible to maintain a Solomon Islands collection complete. This year, all hell broke loose with Stamperija stamps.

$63.00 per sheet x 12 sheetlets = SI$756.00
Eur25.00 per imperf sheet x 12 sheetlet = Eur300.00

This year's issues alone will bog you down about about US$472.00.
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ausfoo wrote:With all these poor countries agreeing for these agencies to print load of wallpapers for them,

Are they never worried one day some dealer might just hop into their country and use them up for postage? And send tons and tons of mails with it!

Their POs might end up in huge deficit!
Countries can just demonitize the stamps, declare them no longer valid for postage.

Tuvalu did that years ago for the Leaders of the World (LOW) issues.

PNG does it on a regular basis for its commems...a stamp has a window of time its usable, and after that the PO doesn't recognize it. :shock:
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ausfoo wrote:Do thematic / topical collectors buy them? They are normally frowned upon by true thematic philatelists. Even the FIP Regulations for thematic exhibits does not allow the usage of these stamps in exhibits.
FIP regulations - as far as I know - only prohibit the inclusion of modern labels which have been 'denied' by the countries stated on them, ie those listed by the UPU circulars as 'Illegals". Stamps which have been produced on behalf of Solomon Is PO for instance, even currently, would be 'OK'.

In any case, a very small percentage of thematic collectors exhibit in FIP-regulated exhibitions.
ausfoo wrote:I don't understand why countries have now not been using Crown Agents / CASCO that widely anymore. Crown Agents are always conservative and trusted.

If a country wants to tender out its philatelic affairs to an agency, it should be tendered to Crown Agents!

Maybe Crown Agents' deals are less attractive..
Maybe you're a little behind the times.... :D
wikipedia wrote:From 1987, shifting attitudes to state ownership of business and changes in British international development strategy led the government to support full privatisation of Crown Agents. It became a private company in 1997, ending its formal ties to the British government.
CASCO is now part of 288 Group which includes
- Harry Allen - agent in the UK for hundreds of stamp issuing entities;
- CASCO Philatelic Services which manages the design, production and distribution of stamps for postal authorities around the world;
- The Westminster Collection - the UK’s market leader selling collectable stamps and coins via mail order to the general public (think 'Franklin Mint');
- Sitters - one of Britain’s leading childcare providers.

So the public sector ethic may still be there, but basically CASCO is a private company like IGPC.
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ausfoo wrote:This is just harmful to philately. Don't they care the reputation of their country? Once we hear of these countries all that comes to our mind of their current issues - WALLPAPERS.

No one answered my query yet: WHO buys these super expensive high FV wallpapers?
Packet makers would be my guess. Nothing like a few bright thematic stamps to attract some young would-be collector

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In answer to the question "who collects these"... I answer me, as long as it's legitimate postage, i.e. the Solomon Islands Titanic one is one I'd LOVE to get my hands on. But then again, one look at my signature will tell you that my home welcomes every little legitimate square piece of paper! :D
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I quite like the Birds of Prey issue too. Unlike most of these 'wallpaper' stamps, these are at least well designed and interesting.
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stampchris wrote:
ausfoo wrote:Solomon Islands is going a REALLY REALLY wrong step. Dodgy TITANIC and birds of prey wallpaper and even Marilyn Monroe!! And look at the FV! 63.00 Solomon Isl Dollars per sheet! They were never issuing stamps of these kind of FV a year ago!

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Check out this link:
https://www.stamperija.eu/en/stamp/102462/oceania/102464/solo ... ate=103185

The super dodgy agency STAMPERIJA (that currently produces somewhat "illegal" Guinea Bissau stamp) has taken over the Solomon Islands stamp affairs!

Solomon Islands used to be in my healthy list of stamps, until now!
The Solomon Islands produced several high value issues in the early 2000s. For example:

2004 Orchids 10 stamps face value of $38
2004 Birds 15 stamps face value of $87.60
2005 Trafalgar 24 stamps face value of $117
2005 Europa 12 stamps and 6 sheets face value of $142.40
2005 Royal Year 12 stamps face value of $71.20
2005 Birds 15 stamps face value of $87.60

Yes they are exensive, but figure that the Solomon Islands dollar is quite low due to rampant inflation, its currently at $6.25 SID to $1 New Zealand Dollar, so the actual cost of this junk is only $10 - 20 NZD. Not that it excuses it, but its not quite as bad as some may expect. But yes I agree it is crap, a 2007 Definitive set had a value of $50 on sale here for $9 from a local dealer.
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ausfoo wrote:This is just harmful to philately. Don't they care the reputation of their country? Once we hear of these countries all that comes to our mind of their current issues - WALLPAPERS.

No one answered my query yet: WHO buys these super expensive high FV wallpapers?
Sometimes these countries commemorate things which other countries don't.

For example, if you collected Music on stamps, you'll have hundreds of stamps which show classical composers and the like, but how many stamps have been issued showing modern musicians?

Similarly, with my thematic collection of Mathematics, the only country to have issued an issue showing Fields Medal winners (the mathematical equivalent of a Nobel Prize) is somewhere in Africa.
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I would also be very happy to receive mail with either the Titanic stamps or those lovely bird stamps on it! Legitimately and postally used.

I have to admit to having some of those Disney etc stamps in my collection...and I only keep them because they are already there!...I'm not overly fond of them but when I got them many years ago I had no clue they weren't 'real' stamps. They all came in those stamp packs issued years ago...all stuck together etc!

I'll keep them as a reminder of what not to collect! And I'll keep collecting my "real" world stamps. But I think it's worth remembering that there are enough people out there that ONLY collect those thematic, Disney, illegal...whatever you want to call them...stamps that make it a huge business across the world!

Maybe we can reform them to real stamps? Probably not likely!

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Point taken Chris, if that is the only example of an issue of something you specifically want to collect, why wouldn't you get it?!
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Even for me, I'd be very happy to receive these sheetlets postally used.

Anyway these kind of stamps are explained in the FIP Regulations for Thematic Philately as stamps that "exploit" thematic themes to cater for thematic collectors. And thus are not advisable to be submitted in a thematic exhibit.
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ausfoo wrote:This is just harmful to philately. Don't they care the reputation of their country? Once we hear of these countries all that comes to our mind of their current issues - WALLPAPERS.

No one answered my query yet: WHO buys these super expensive high FV wallpapers?
Thematic collector and non stamp collector.
Some Lady Gaga fans will buy those Lady Gaga stamp.
They know nothing about this wallpapers issue.
They just like the picture on the stamps.

In a way it's good that non collector are buying stamps.
Hopefully they will branch out their collection and become a "true" stamp collector.
But I agree with you this wallpaper issues are harmfull in the long term
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http://www.stamperija.eu/en/stamp/102462/oceania/102464/solo ... ate=103185

The super dodgy agency STAMPERIJA (that currently produces somewhat "illegal" Guinea Bissau stamp) has taken over the Solomon Islands stamp affairs!

Solomon Islands used to be in my healthy list of stamps, until now!
I had a chance to meet stamperija employee at Indonesia 2012.
I couldn't talk much because he was busy with customers.
I asked him if his company selling those stamps at face value.
He said yes.
But when I checked their website, it seems that their sales price is above face value.

Stamperija also has a sister company in belgium.
It's called Bayart.
Bayart have more wide range of countries than stamperija.
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ausfoo wrote: Do thematic / topical collectors buy them? They are normally frowned upon by true thematic philatelists. Even the FIP Regulations for thematic exhibits does not allow the usage of these stamps in exhibits.
This is some of issuance country that is black listed by FIP:
Belize Alla
Centralafrikanska republiken Block fr.o.m. 1972
Djibouti Block
Guinea-Bissau Alla
Guyana Fr.o.m. 1981
Libyen Block fr.o.m. 1977
Nordkorea Fr.o.m. 1974
Paraguay Fr.o.m. 1974
Rumänien Block fr.o.m. 1972
St. Thomé & Principe Fr.o.m. 1977
Tchad Fr.o.m. 1969
Togo Fr.o.m. 1965
Yemen, arabrepublik Fr.o.m. 1972
Röda kort utdelas till följande skojarländer
Land Tidsperiod Anmärkning
Ajman Efter 1967-05-20 Anv. U.A.R.s (Frörenade arabemiratets frimärken efter 20/5 1967
Dubai 1967-05-20 till 1969-07-01
Ekvatorial-Guinea Efter 1972-01-01
Fujeira Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Kathiri state in Hadhramaut Alla
Kathiri state of Seiyun Alla
Khor Fakkan Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Mahra Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Malta, Sovrano Militaire Ordino Alla Förväxla ej med Malta
Manama Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
State of Oman Alla
Panama 1965-01-01 till 1968-10-22
Paraguay 1965-01-01 till 1967-09-01
Qu'aiti State in Hadramaut Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Ras al Khaima Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Redonda Alla Obebodd ö utan postgång
Sharjah Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Umm al Qiwain Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Yemen, monarki Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Yemen, republik 1967-05-20 till 1972-10-31
Ett antal "länder" som inte finns
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Kaulbach Island
Koneuwe Republik
Lithou (Lihou)
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Maluku Selatan
Marshall Islands, after 1916
Nagaland
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Sanda
St. Kilda
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FIP Regulations asks us to avoid these wallpapers
When selecting qualified material for the exhibit, preference and greater importance has to be given to:


"issues which have information whose contents bear a direct relation to the issuing country from a political, historical, cultural, economic and/or similar standpoint. Avoid speculative issues, which exploit the "fashion trends" in thematic philately (these dubious items ought to be in principle totally excluded), with special reference to issues not following the code of ethics of the UPU

With this in its still not enough to deter these agencies from producing wallpapers?
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Alleghany,

re.
I had a chance to meet stamperija employee at Indonesia 2012
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If they had a stand there and they were selling " illegals " you should have mentioned it the organising committee who would have cancelled their stand as they are not allowed to sell unauthorised stamps at an FIP Exhibition,

I was there but did not notice them as I spent more time looking at display material, talking to friends and eating than looking around the sales booths,

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Boss of Tuvalu Philatelic Bureau retires.

http://www.tuvaluislands.com/stamps/phil-bur/newsletter/TPB%20Newsletter%202011-03.pdf

Will there be even more wallpapers with all the old timers retiring in Tuvalu.
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Allegheny wrote:
ausfoo wrote: Do thematic / topical collectors buy them? They are normally frowned upon by true thematic philatelists. Even the FIP Regulations for thematic exhibits does not allow the usage of these stamps in exhibits.
This is some of issuance country that is black listed by FIP:

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Yemen, arabrepublik Fr.o.m. 1972
Röda kort utdelas till följande skojarländer
Land Tidsperiod Anmärkning
Ajman Efter 1967-05-20 Anv. U.A.R.s (Frörenade arabemiratets frimärken efter 20/5 1967
Dubai 1967-05-20 till 1969-07-01
Ekvatorial-Guinea Efter 1972-01-01
Fujeira Efter 1967-05-20 Se anm. Ajman
Kathiri state in Hadhramaut Alla
Surely there is an English-language list?

I know that "Röda kort utdelas till följande skojarländer" refers to the Red Cross, but I'd have to check what the rest of it means. :roll: :roll:
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David Benson wrote:Alleghany,

re.
I had a chance to meet stamperija employee at Indonesia 2012
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If they had a stand there and they were selling " illegals " you should have mentioned it the organising committee who would have cancelled their stand as they are not allowed to sell unauthorised stamps at an FIP Exhibition,

I was there but did not notice them as I spent more time looking at display material, talking to friends and eating than looking around the sales booths,

David B.
David,

I wish I knew you were coming to the exhibition.
We could've met there.

Do you still have the exhibtion catalog?
It says there: Stamperija booth #22 and 23

I never heard of stamperija before the exhibition.
I didn't even know what they were selling when I visited their booth.
I only found out about it after the exhibition was over, when I had a chance to open their website.

Are what they are selling consider illegals?
Or falls more into category wallpaper?

[at] Norvic:
I'm sure there is.
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Here is one of the catalogues offering dodgy and illegal issues. Its a firm run out of the UK, that looks legit if you look at the token few IGPC offerings on the cover.
Image not available anymore

But the contents are mostly this stuff, sold mint of with printed on cancels

Image not available anymore

Who knows about these guys, they are obviously selling a few real issues to cover this dangerous illegal junk and how they joined those associations heaven knows. Also the other countries in the issue are

Burundi, Centreafrica, Congo, Ivory Coasts, Mozambique, Uganda, Sao Tome etPrincipe, Guine Bissau, Chad

Topics include, Obama, Titanic, Wild Birds, Wild animals, Diana, Marilyn Monroe, Chess, Military Aircraft, Trains, Subs and Dolphins on same sheet, Elvis (3 pages of him), Butterflies, Frogs, Bicycles, Cars and mostly in French as the countries are mostly Frankophone ones

These people should be prosecuted

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Allegheny wrote: This is some of issuance country that is black listed by FIP:
By the looks of it this is a very old list that hasn't had any changes since the 1980s.

The list says that all stamps of Belize are on the black list. Well, we all know that there were only some wallpaper issues in the 80s and that all the other stamps are okay.
Probably the FIP members are some old men who only collect classic stamps and don't have any knowledge about modern issues. (That's the problem with more philatelic organisations, but that's another discussion...)

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Stewie1980 wrote:
Allegheny wrote: This is some of issuance country that is black listed by FIP:
By the looks of it this is a very old list that hasn't had any changes since the 1980s.

The list says that all stamps of Belize are on the black list. Well, we all know that there were only some wallpaper issues in the 80s and that all the other stamps are okay.
Probably the FIP members are some old men who only collect classic stamps and don't have any knowledge about modern issues. (That's the problem with more philatelic organisations, but that's another discussion...)
I don't know how old the list is.
That's what I have on hand and I thought I share it here.
If anybody has a newer list in english please post it here since I can't find one.
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As it happens, one of my Topicals is "Sand-dunes and Illegals" ...so if you have any polluting your collection; feel free to send them over - I will look after them for you and make sure they don't ever get out there!

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ausfoo wrote:This is just harmful to philately. Don't they care the reputation of their country? Once we hear of these countries all that comes to our mind of their current issues - WALLPAPERS.

No one answered my query yet: WHO buys these super expensive high FV wallpapers?

My guess, less informed Thematic collectors as the marketers of illegal wallpaper see trends like Elvis and Marilyn along with trends like cats and Disney. Very few collectors.
Mostly average to below average intelligence people with money to spare, the same types who collected all those Franklin Mint plates, Thomas Kinkaid paintings and junk like that. Not to be offensive but I would say many comfortable American couples. A sample name like Buddy Richson of 7862 Rodeo Drive, Some midwestern or southern city, you know the type who has plastic wood panelling in his lounge wears plaid shirts and drives a pick up or the middle aged women with several cats and plastic on the furniture.
Generally uninformed investors who like bright and shiny knick knacks to show off.

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Princestamps wrote:Here is one of the catalogues offering dodgy and illegal issues. Its a firm run out of the UK, that looks legit if you look at the token few IGPC offerings on the cover.
Image not available anymore

But the contents are mostly this stuff, sold mint of with printed on cancels

Image not available anymore

Who knows about these guys, they are obviously selling a few real issues to cover this dangerous illegal junk and how they joined those associations heaven knows. Also the other countries in the issue are

Burundi, Centreafrica, Congo, Ivory Coasts, Mozambique, Uganda, Sao Tome etPrincipe, Guine Bissau, Chad

Topics include, Obama, Titanic, Wild Birds, Wild animals, Diana, Marilyn Monroe, Chess, Military Aircraft, Trains, Subs and Dolphins on same sheet, Elvis (3 pages of him), Butterflies, Frogs, Bicycles, Cars and mostly in French as the countries are mostly Frankophone ones

These people should be prosecuted
Is this recent? It appears that both the ASDA and APS logos are on that list - any PTS logo?
I don't see why you don't name the company that produced that catalogue - if they are willing to put that stuff and their name in the same place why do you desist?
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norvic wrote:
Princestamps wrote:Here is one of the catalogues offering dodgy and illegal issues. Its a firm run out of the UK, that looks legit if you look at the token few IGPC offerings on the cover.
Image not available anymore

But the contents are mostly this stuff, sold mint of with printed on cancels

Image not available anymore

Who knows about these guys, they are obviously selling a few real issues to cover this dangerous illegal junk and how they joined those associations heaven knows. Also the other countries in the issue are

Burundi, Centreafrica, Congo, Ivory Coasts, Mozambique, Uganda, Sao Tome etPrincipe, Guine Bissau, Chad

Topics include, Obama, Titanic, Wild Birds, Wild animals, Diana, Marilyn Monroe, Chess, Military Aircraft, Trains, Subs and Dolphins on same sheet, Elvis (3 pages of him), Butterflies, Frogs, Bicycles, Cars and mostly in French as the countries are mostly Frankophone ones

These people should be prosecuted
Is this recent? It appears that both the ASDA and APS logos are on that list - any PTS logo?
I don't see why you don't name the company that produced that catalogue - if they are willing to put that stuff and their name in the same place why do you desist?
Its July 2012, I do not list the name as I am worried about breaking some copyright rule that could get me and my mate who gets these catalogues in trouble. I will give you one clue, they are based in England and they are of the Jewish faith with a Germanic name after a flower. I hope this helps

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1. You can't break copyright any more than you have already.

2. Stampboards is based in Australia and Glen doesn't give a fig about naming and shaming

3. How about emailing me via SB instead. Too busy to play guessing games :D
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The company on the catalogue I scanned is called G Rosen and Sons, based in Leicester in the UK, the catalogues are 90% these printed wallpaper illegals with printed on post marks, there are a few IGPC sets from the less reputable countries like St Vincent and Grenada amonst the mostly Lusaphone and Francophone African garbage.

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It's getting worse and worse with that Stamperija...

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Look what they issued more for Guiné-Bissau in 2011 and 2012:
http://postzegelhandeldemaaskant.nl/site/index.php?option=co ... &Itemid=68
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And people used to complain about Nagorno-Karabakh :lol: :lol:

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norvic wrote:And people used to complain about Nagorno-Karabakh :lol: :lol:

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They just issue a few stamps a year. https://home.arcor.de/gert.bundesmann/english/nkr/catalogue.htm

Those people must be complaining about the illegal wallpapers!
Those pieces-of-paper-that-look-like-stamps give Nagorno-Karabakh a bad name... :(

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