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Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company First Day Covers

Hi - I'm hoping some members can help.

I am seeking to fill in some blanks from my Sigma FDC Collection. The topic is not widely discussed - so please add your covers and stories here!

These covers were used by a drug company (Sigma Pharmaceuticals) to mail correspondence on their products to doctors. Presumably the intent was for doctors (who as "educated people" were also stamp collectors) to actively seek the correspondence from Sigma, rather than throwing it out unread.

An example is below:

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I'm hoping to obtain the following:

* 1951 3d Sir Edmund Barton (50th Anniversary of the Federation of Australia)
* 1951 3d Charles Latrobe (Centenaries of the Discovery of Gold and Responsible Government in Victoria) (not seen)
* 1953 Food Production stamps (not seen, but presumably there are three possible covers?)
* 1953 3.5d Lieutenant Governor Collins (150th Anniversary of Settlement in Tasmania)
* 1954 3.5d Red QEII and Prince Philip (Royal Visit) (not seen)
* 1954 3.5d ANARE Division emblem (not seen)
* 1955 Rotary Emblem and Flags (not seen)
* 1955 3.5d USA Memorial, Canberra (Australian-American friendship)
* 1955 3.5d YMCA logo
* 1955 3.5d Florence Nightingale (not seen)
* 1956 3.5d Badges of NSW, Vic and Tas (Centenary of Responsible Government)
* 1957 4d Coat of Arms of SA (Centenary of Responsible Government) (not seen)
* 1958 3.5d Red Christmas
* 1962 5d CWA Allegory (Country Womens Association World Conference)
* 1962 5d Christmas (not seen)
* 1965 5d Red QEII (Elizabethan Series) (not seen)

Some covers I have seen on eBay - but been outbid.

Others would "seem to be available" (may be one of a se-tenant pair, and the second in the pair has been seen on a Sigma cover).

If someone has a definitive list of Sigma covers, that would be appreciated too...

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Jim .. they mostly had the designs of these below that I sold here last year at $2 each.

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A really scarce lot. As most were tossed away.

In the 1950s/70s several drug companies mailed Doctors brochures re their latest new drug/tablet/cream etc in special pictorial envelopes, franked with the latest stamp cancelled FDI.

The idea being that a normal mailing being ID'd as from Sigma would 99% of the time be binned by the receptionist as junk mail.

Back then a lot of Doctors were stamp collectors, so heaven help a receptionist who tossed away such little gems. :mrgreen:

These covers have in the past been largely ignored. Even by dealers - I never placed much value on them until recently. HOWEVER that has all changed in recent years.

Frank Pauer (Australia's leading FDC collector) and Paul Walker have compiled and priced a truly massive FDC catalogue - listing EVERY brand and colour combo design of cover even issued in Australia.

For the 4c 1967 Gynaecology for instance they list and price EVERY colour Wesley, Royal and Excelsior combo, and any others recorded, such as the scarce SIGMA covers etc.

The Catalogue still has not been officially issued, but Frank told me a typical price level will be $20 a clean cover, and $40 or so IF they contain the original advertising - as 99.9% of that was tossed out.
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And also a question :?:
How was it that the British Sigma FDC were able to be mailed to doctors in Australia, with only a basic rate stamp attached, and not be taxed for extra postage?
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Philanthopist asked:
How was it that the British Sigma FDC were able to be mailed to doctors in Australia, with only a basic rate stamp attached, and not be taxed for extra postage?
Not sure what you meant by "British Sigma FDC" - these were Australian Sigma FDC (with a GPO Melbourne return address). They were, however, generally larger than normal envelope size - perhaps someone might have some advice on the postal arrangements?

Mod Edit - jimdotwalker has advised that he has received a (GOMC?) e-mail advising of an " "OFFICAL FIRST DAY COVER", for the 22nd World Medical Assembly, cancelled Clarence Street Sydney with a Kangaroo and Map of
Australia. I have two, one to an Australian doctor, but the second to a doctor in the U.K.
5c overseas postage??? but not taxed? .

A scan is not yet available, but a photocopy has been requested."
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A revised list, following some purchases on eBay last night:

* 1951 3d Sir Edmund Barton (50th Anniversary of the Federation of Australia)
* 1951 3d Charles Latrobe (Centenaries of the Discovery of Gold and Responsible Government in Victoria) (not seen)
* 1953 Food Production stamps (not seen, but presumably there are three possible covers?)
* 1954 3.5d Red QEII and Prince Philip (Royal Visit) (not seen)
* 1954 3.5d ANARE Division emblem (not seen)
* 1955 Rotary Emblem and Flags (not seen)
* 1955 3.5d USA Memorial, Canberra (Australian-American friendship)
* 1955 3.5d YMCA logo
* 1955 3.5d Florence Nightingale (not seen)
* 1958 3.5d Red Christmas
* 1962 5d CWA Allegory (Country Womens Association World Conference)
* 1962 5d Christmas (not seen)
* 1965 5d Red QEII (Elizabethan Series) (not seen)
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Whilst off topic, I have been queried (via Stampboards e-mail) about the last decimal Sigma FDC, and use of multiple stamps on covers.

The last release of Sigma FDC that I have seen is the 1975 Prime Ministers series.
I have only seen two of the six stamps released - illustrated below.

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This may be all there is - or there might be four other covers. Unlike sheets of se-tenant stamps, the "work experience kid" may have not got a complete set for affixing to the mail out? (This is pure speculation on my part, of course).

The only use of multiple stamps on covers that I have seen (not including "booklet stamps with tab") was the 1953 1d Violet, reproduced again below:

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I have an excel spreadsheet with "my understanding" of what FDC were released by Sigma - happy to e-mail this to board members with caveat that this was developed from scratch.
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This is a very interesting thread..I was unaware of Sigma FDC's....was any info published in Michael Moore's magazine?

It is another take on Dear Doctor Cards.

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What was the last (Australian) Sigma FDC released?

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What was the last Sigma FDC that was released?

The last two that I have seen (and have) were from 26 Mar 1975:
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(and I'm not sure even if the other four stamps in this issue were ever put on a Sigma FDC)

Does anyone have a list of the Sigma FDC that have been released?

(There is more on Sigma FDC on -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=43181 (second post from Glen))
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I've had a look at the 2009 Australian Cover Society publication "Australian First Day Covers" (by Michael Moore, Colleen Woolley, and Frank Pauer) - but there would not appear to be a listing in either the Table of Contents, or the index.

If someone has access to the Australian Cover Society magazine, that would be appreciated... :D
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jimdotwalker wrote:I've had a look at the 2009 Australian Cover Society publication "Australian First Day Covers" (by Michael Moore, Colleen Woolley, and Frank Pauer) - but there would not appear to be a listing in either the Table of Contents, or the index.

If someone has access to the Australian Cover Society magazine, that would be appreciated... :D

I have the magazine, but easier to ask.

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Steven Zirinsky wrote:
It is another take on Dear Doctor Cards.
Yes, same idea I think.
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Re: What was the last (Australian) Sigma FDC released?

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Jim

I believe it was. I do not have nor have I seen any after this. In addition to the two you have I also have J B Chifley. Although I haven't seen them I would expect the other 3 to exist. I don't have a list but there should be one for every Aust & AAT letter rate issue from 1950.

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Jim .. how is your 1965 Monash cover condition?
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I asked about ACS Listings....
the ACS has not done anything on them...though Mick said there was something in the works....

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Jim .. how is your 1965 Monash cover condition?
If not for a slightly dinged corner, I'd say it was in "BEST" condition:

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(Sorry :) )

I did get a 1955 USA Memorial Sigma cover in the mail today from eBay.

That cover appears to have been an active participant in the Battle of the Coral Sea...

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(Again, sorry :) )
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Jim .. your Monash looks pretty good, I agree. 8)

OK I have a nice one here near as good as that. As Jim's other cover shows, the condition of these SIGMA's is often appalling. 8)

The first person who wants it free needs only post here.

You need to mail me a large sized SASE bigger than that size, and I'll cancel your stamps nicely for the return!
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With respect to
a large sized SASE bigger than that size, and I'll cancel your stamps nicely for the return!
Suggest a SASE larger than 227 x 151mm. These are big covers.
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Just come across this thread, I got about 50 Sigma covers last year from about 1963 to 1973

Here's the CWA cover.

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I also had covers from other drug companies,so here goes

Ames Company FDC 5d Green

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Essex Labs for 4c Bible Society

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And finally a Pfizer FDC for the Royal Visit

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If you want pictures of the other Sigma's just let me know.
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This post may be slightly off topic; but can someone advise me where I can obtain a copy of the Australian Cover Society's publication "Australian First Day Covers" please?
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Try Premier Postal Auctions or Prestige
Or Vera Trinder
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My sole Sigma Cover

First Day Cover Sigma Centenary Of Queensland PM Melbourne 05 Jun 1959 Dr W R Fraser

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kelvin1645 wrote:
This post may be slightly off topic; but can someone advise me where I can obtain a copy of the Australian Cover Society's publication "Australian First Day Covers" please?
I had one for sale at $15 off recently - pays to look in on the 'For Sale' Forum.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=42274
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jimdotwalker wrote:A revised list, following some purchases on eBay last night:

* 1951 3d Sir Edmund Barton (50th Anniversary of the Federation of Australia)
* 1951 3d Charles Latrobe (Centenaries of the Discovery of Gold and Responsible Government in Victoria) (not seen)
* 1953 Food Production stamps (not seen, but presumably there are three possible covers?)
* 1954 3.5d Red QEII and Prince Philip (Royal Visit) (not seen)
* 1954 3.5d ANARE Division emblem (not seen)
* 1955 Rotary Emblem and Flags (not seen)
* 1955 3.5d USA Memorial, Canberra (Australian-American friendship)
* 1955 3.5d YMCA logo
* 1955 3.5d Florence Nightingale (not seen)
* 1958 3.5d Red Christmas
* 1962 5d CWA Allegory (Country Womens Association World Conference)
* 1962 5d Christmas (not seen)
* 1965 5d Red QEII (Elizabethan Series) (not seen)
Jim I bought 10 Sigmas today addressed to a doctor up my street in Castlecrag.

He had several on your list needed in red, inc the Rare AAT one. A few Sigma buyers tell me that is never seen, due to the weird long size.

Early 50s are ALL scarce .. the great bulk of Sigmas were late 50s to decimals era.

Condition ranges from OK to deplorable, as often found on these 60 year old issues. :roll:

I was after $45 the 10, and I think condition aside, the several you need will make it tempting to grab them, and popping the others aside as spares, but if not I'll list up for general sale.
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Thanks Glen - sold.

(Edit - have just noticed address, and re-address from Roseville :lol: )
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Off to Jim. Not world shattering condition grade of course, but at $4 each you can't buy a coffee these days!

The AAT one is a gem in my view.
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Australia 1986 America’s Cup FDCs, with VOLTARIN Medico inserts
A slight variation on the theme are these VOLTARIN covers I listed here today.

Seems like someone at CIBA-CEIGY Pharmaceuticals had the idea a couple of decades later, to try the same kind of targeted marketing based around a popular event, covered on FDC?

In the spirit of the SIGMA Medico covers of decades before, Voltarin mailed out sets of these covers to Doctors etc it appears.

In 4 x matched Vinyl wallets, PO official FDC, and a Voltarin ad inside with details of the race and long details on the drugs inside.

Cannot recall ever seeing these before. 4 different frankings, and 4 different cancels as you can see.

Given the growing interest in SIGMA covers, a nice pick up for someone.
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Seen and purchased :D
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Similar thing to the Sigmas,

Essex Laboratories Pty Ltd at Fairfield, with 1965 5d Anzac FDC.

I am sending this to Jim as a freebie, as he collects Military related stuff, AND these Pharmaceutical covers, AND we had a "MIA" with the Sigmas above! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Just got this it's 1959 Christmas cover from The Queen Elizabeth Hospital,Adelaide.
Not in the best condition but interesting I thought.

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Jim,

Not sure if you are aware that there are two types of Sigma fdc for the 1960 Melbourne Cup issue.

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Type 1 - Top Left - "Commemorating the 100th Melbourne Cup"

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Type 2 - Top Left - "100th Melbourne Cup"

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Type 1 is more common than Type 2. I am aware of only 3 Type 2.

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jimdotwalker wrote:Philanthopist asked:
How was it that the British Sigma FDC were able to be mailed to doctors in Australia, with only a basic rate stamp attached, and not be taxed for extra postage?
Not sure what you meant by "British Sigma FDC" - these were Australian Sigma FDC (with a GPO Melbourne return address). They were, however, generally larger than normal envelope size - perhaps someone might have some advice on the postal arrangements?

Mod Edit - jimdotwalker has advised that he has received a (GOMC?) e-mail advising of an " "OFFICAL FIRST DAY COVER", for the 22nd World Medical Assembly, cancelled Clarence Street Sydney with a Kangaroo and Map of
Australia. I have two, one to an Australian doctor, but the second to a doctor in the U.K.
5c overseas postage??? but not taxed? .

A scan is not yet available, but a photocopy has been requested."
I asked the same question & was told that because the envelope contained advertising material & was sent unsealed, it was sent as second class mail, so the local letter rate applied. I don't know why the overseas one was not taxed but I have seen many "underpaid" fdcs of various types to overseas locations that were not taxed. Perhaps the post office was being kind to collectors!

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Here is a card from Virax Ethicals Ltd, I presume a similar deal to Sigma, although this is the only one I have seen. I think more would have been discarded as no markings on the front & just advertising on the reverse.

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Big Saint said:
Not sure if you are aware that there are two types of Sigma fdc for the 1960 Melbourne Cup issue.
I wasn't. There are a couple of other "duplicate" mailings (1968 Lighthouse and the 1972 CWA both have two types) - but they are a lot less subtle....

Something else to look for!

:D and :( -> :? :?:

Whilst your Virax Ethicals doesn't have a "pictormark" - it is still FDI and nicely linked to a medical theme. Nice!
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Got this in a box today. A beauty.

Have added it gratis in a box to Jim today, as his last sending from me went AWOL!

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Thanks very much Glen...I haven't seen this before. An Australian re-use of a United States maxi card.

Was getting very excited with the Woodforde address (and a "Dr Coward").
But the Army base is at Woodside, not Woodforde :(

Will just have to settle for the "Colorado Springs" of the pole vaulter...
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Yes the NSW dated roller cancel is over the ozzie 1984 Olympic stamp, over the ad sticker, and over the Doctor's address label so is most interesting.

The only recent one I have seen ... any others seen a 'Doctor Mailer' after 1984?
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Sold this here today and recorded here for the data base! :mrgreen:

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Australian Antarctic Territory, AAT 1961 Wilkes Base “DEAR DOCTOR” Postcard to USA
For more than 30 years as a full time dealer, I have NEVER owned one of these before.

Don’t know why, but most ended up in the USA, not here. Abbott Labs paid for these to be mailed FROM the frozen base to a list of USA Doctors. Transit time would have been MANY months.

“Wilkes Base ANARE 10 JAN 1961 Australian Antarctic Territory” cds. Headed “Dear Doctor” - hence the nickname.

SUPERB pristine condition for over 50 years old, and for something the literally travelled 15,000 miles by sea to middle America - Talladega Alabama no less, from Antactica via Australia.

The "SIGMA" FDC's to Australian doctors were a spin off of this idea. Why do it? Doctors are busy and did not red normal junk mail about new drugs. Send it from ANTARCTICA and you got their attention.
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Jim,

This Sigma cover wasn't on your wants list so I assume you already have one. It hasn't been shown here and it's a nice early(ish) cover from 1962 so here it is for the record:

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Listed up a bunch of Sigmas tonight -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=54870&p=3828420#p3828420

- and here is one I have never seen ... a normal "Royal" 5c Captain Cook FDC yet with same dot matrix addressing identical to all the others to Dr Phillips of Seaforth in this Estate ... no doubt WHATSOEVER it is a PFIZER to me - see the same size 1970 Royal visit of 3 weeks earlier, also SYDNEY Clarence Street PHILATELIC Bureau cancel.

Probably a $50 type cover on its own I am guessing, being a Cook FDC which are pretty famous anyway! Have never seen a mainstream FDC being used for these "Dear Doctor" promo mail-outs. Has anyone?
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Curiously this is also Pfizer, and same long size, but differs from mine above?

"First Day Issue" is in identical font though.
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Re: Wanted - Pre Decimal Australian Sigma FDC

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BigSaint wrote:I asked the same question & was told that because the envelope contained advertising material & was sent unsealed, it was sent as second class mail, so the local letter rate applied. I don't know why the overseas one was not taxed but I have seen many "underpaid" fdcs of various types to overseas locations that were not taxed. Perhaps the post office was being kind to collectors!
You'd be lucky. :) Also, the companies concerned would have been careful to pay the correct rate (or overpay if they had to in order to get the first day usage).

It wasn't that the mailshot was sent at the "local" rate as such, but between 1898 and 1975 the minimum surface mail letter rates to Commonwealth countries were generally set to be the same as the minimum inland letter rate as a concession. If sent at the printed papers rate, which was significantly less than the letter rate, they would have been even cheaper.

You didn't say whether the GB one was airmail or surface mail -- but here for comparison are the minimum inland rates and letter and printed paper rates to Australia (airmail Zone C) in this period:

Inland letters: 1940 2½d, 1957 3d, 1965 4d, 1968 5d/4d (1st/2nd class), 1971 3p/2½p
Inland PPs: 1940 1d, 1951 1½d, 1956 2d, 1961 2½d, 1965 3d, 1968 treated same as letters
Surface letters: 1940 2½d, 1957 3d, 1965 4d, 1968 5d, 1971 2p
Surface PPs: 1950 1½d, 1957 2d, 1963 2½d, 1966 4d, 1971 1½p
Airmail letters: 1947 1s 3d, 1952 1s 6d, 1966 1s 9d, 1971 9p
Airmail PPs: 1948 5d, 1952 7d, 1966 8d, 1971 3½p

Yes, sometimes the overseas rates were actually cheaper! For more details see

http://www.gbps.org.uk/rates

I'd actually like to obtain some of these items for my "Philatelic Mail" collection, especially if smaller size -- I have some GB ones (which go up to at least the late 1980s as I recall), but only one or two from elsewhere. I don't need 50 of the things though so Glen's lot is rather too much!
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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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Just to update the data base, I note this sold for $A38 recently. Amazing with those faults.


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Stamp-Australia-1967-Gynaecology- ... 7675.l2557

“Has a torn back flap, some yellow stains on back but still in fine condition on front”
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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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Jim

Ebayer 8479smacma (aka Andrew Ballis) has just listed a lot of these Sigma covers:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Stamps-1960-Christmas-5d-red-comm ... _384wt_916

Hope there is something there you are looking for.

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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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I Know they are not Sigma covers but these GB ones from the 1970s turned up in some other junk I acquired a few months ago, Seem to come from SEARLE Laboratories though only one still has the original insert.

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This one from the Scottish Council for Spastics dates from 1987 and appears to be an appeal mailshot

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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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A couple more UK Drug Company First Day Covers, - GB and a Guernsey one, oddly from Selpharm Laboratories Ltd from Harrow Middlesex in a large lot I listed today and added here for the record.
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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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I found this Kentucky Derby fdc recently from the Mann Chemical Corp (manufacturing chemists) in Louisville Kentucky. Is this likely to be a one off or did they did similar product promotion to Sigma? Or is it a proper commercially used fdc?
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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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Brad,

Certainly is very light on when it comes to the size of the wording and art work for a specially printed FDC. The Sigma and Selpharm cover Glen has posted just above here are really "out there" in comparison.

Commercially used with FDI slogan I think.
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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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I recently acquired an array of Sigma covers, amongst others, including these two which are earlier than any of the ones mentioned above. So I thought you might be interested in seeing them.

The Queen Elizabeth Hospital Cover shown above was amongst a series produced by Alan and Hanbury, I have only seen them for 1959 issues.

For those interested they will be offered by Premier Postal Auctions in May.

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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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A few odd things added here for the pictorial and historical record as a client now owns them. 8)

First - a superbly clean 1972 Sciene from ETHNOR North Ryde .. never seen that Medical company before on "Dear Doctor" covers?

From same estate of Dr. Roberts are TWO totally different SIGMA covers for the 1972 7c CWA.

Different envelopes stock and paper weight and different flaps, and slightly different sizes, and different flaps even, but all 3 cancelled CHATSWOOD same day.

WHY SIGMA went for 2 totally different covers is a mystery.

One type there are 2 of with a red overprint re 'NHS announcement'. Seems machine printed but one is way out of square. BOTH of these overprints to Dr Roberts at same address, so go figger!
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Re: Wanted. Pre-Decimal Australian "Sigma" Drug Company FDC

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Very interesting one from same Estate.

Clearly the same "Dear Doctor" Roneo dot matrix type address, and same address as the ETHNOR, from same estate but a PO cover.

Nothing on reverse.

Also a drug company mail shot?
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