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Figure 31. My examples Mi. 275, 276 proofed.

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Now we start the period of increasing inflation, marked by rapid printing of stamps of ever increasing postage values.

Note from Michel on this time.


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Table 28. Mi 277 to 296. Note short time for issues. Overprinted WM2.


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Table 29. Flaws Mi.277 to 296

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Figure 32. My examples Mi. 277 to 296. The S in circle in pencil denotes signed copies.

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Figure 33. Some signed examples.

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Table 30. Mi. 297 to 300.

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Figure 34. My examples Mi. 297 to 300.

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Table 31. Mi. 301 to 312.

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Table 32. Flaws etc. Mi. 310 to 312

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Table 33. Unissued stamps Mi. VII and VIII

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Figure 35. My examples Mi. 301 to 312.

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Figure 36. Unissued stamps Mi. VII and VIII.

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I shall now look at variations that might be expected with examples from my collection. I shall label these V1, 2 etc. (Variant) for identification later.

V1. 208 f 60 (PKDR).

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V2. 151. M right leg base short.

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V3. 297 f 97 (PKDR).

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V4. Mi. 244 III

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V6. Authentic cancel?

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V7. Broken E Mi. 275.


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V8. 277IV?

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V9. 277?

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V10. Inverted Overprint Mi. 278 I (€28 HM, 75 NHM, €450 used)!

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V 11. 278 f 10 (PKDR). Small triangle of colour. HM €20, NHM €55, used € 225 (Mi. 278 IV).

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V12. 278 f11 (PKDR) (also broken e and thinned 8 at base (278 f 27)? f 11 HM €20, NHM €55, used € 125

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V13. Comma after Reich (unlisted).

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V14. 279 f 97. (PKDR) (Flat base to s in Tausend. HM €10, NHM €25, used € 100

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V15. Mi. 288 typical observations.


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V16. 287 f 85 (PKDR) Messed tip of 5. €10, €35, €75. (HM, NHM, Used CV).

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V17. Large hole in O. Mi. 289V?

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V18. Mi. 293 f 93 (Pencilled identification of 13 not true, but Breslau OPD identified from bar pattern) (OPD -local printings discussed later.


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V19. Missing bar lines Mi. 293.


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V20. Missing bar lines Mi. 293.

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V21. Bar lines joined at base Mi. 290.

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V22. Hole in 0 Mi. 302 (unlisted).

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V23. Mi. 305 A Flat top to 8 (unlisted).

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V24. Mi. 282. Notches in n and d of Tausend (not listed).

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V25. Mi. 331b II (listed flaw) In later scans. HM €7, NHM €20, used €180.

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V26. Mi. 331 b Damaged top to 1 (unlisted).

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V27.312 Ab f div. (PKDR). HM, €10, NHM, €40, Used €250

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V28. Massive perforation shift )mis perforation). Mi. 312.

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V29. Broken bar lines. Mi. 312.

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Stamps do tend to accumulate. Need to sort these.

V30. Mi. 309 A. Note that this is a complicated issue with flat plate printings P with 3 shades a,b,c; as well as rotary press (W) and we have the introduction of rouletting (B) that features in next see rise of inflation issues.

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V31. Differences in printings of Mi 309.

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Now we come to the regular issues with a basket design. 1923 issues and crammed into use from 9th October.

Three printing types were made. Flat plate (P), Rotary press (W) and rouletted (B).

These are described in tables below (Table 35). Basically the Flat plate, top border to bottom border is 21.5mm and side borders 17.7mm. The Rotary press is 22mm x 18mm respectively. The rouletted are easy to determine having a high characteristic perforation.
The best way of determining the sizes is to obtain a fresh 500 Tausend M stamp (Mi 313 A P). These are only Flat plate printings. Aligning this to other stamps it is relatively easy to determine whether the stamp is longer top border to bottom border, therefore a W or the same hence a P. I like the various flaws in this series and there are many. I shall deal with some and there are other threads where these are examined.


Table 34. Mi. 313 to 330.


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Table 35.

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Table 36.

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Figure 37.

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Table 38.

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Table 39. Mi. 332 to Mi.

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Figure 37. My Mi.313 to 330 page.

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Figure 38. My Mi.332 to 337 page.

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Figure 39. Enlargement of rouletted stamps from Figure 38.

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Figure 40. Enlargement of rouletted stamps from Figure 39.

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Figure 41. Enhanced close up of rouletted stamp.

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I will deal with Mi.331 later.
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More details on Basket flaws.

See also: "Basket" Printing flaws on the German Inflation era stamps on Stampboards
A few terms:
HT: Haupttype = Main Type
PE: Parallelerscheinung = parallel feature (i.e. minor variety)

Figure 42. Some PE flaws.


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The Berlin group complicated matters with PP minor variation nomenclature. The relationships PP to PE shown on added pic. There are minor minor variations of the PP's (a,b,c etc.)

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Figure 44. PE flaws 1 to 7.

PE1

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PE2

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PE3

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PE4

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PE5

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PE6

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PE7

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PE7


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Almost forgot the Primary type example, although plenty later.

Figure 44. Primary plate flaw (Crack) in rosette.

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Thank you for posting this thread.

I have what I call my "Girlie" collection, which started with the Marianne stamps of France and its colonies. I am now adding the Germania stamps as my collection develops.

The relevant information on here is most useful. :D
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John .. some lovely pieces. :mrgreen:

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Will keep to 5.

I will soon be posting the letters and post cards series that add flavour to when the inflation stamps were used an the amazing hype in costs.

Anyone with inflation stamps of interest, post them please. Also welcome discussion as this is one of the plus points of Stampboards.

I also welcome even the simplest question, they often lead to discovery.

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Excellent thread. A period in German history I find most interesting.

Are there descriptions and/or images of the plate faults above PE8 that are indicated on that PE/PP diagram?
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Will be posting some of the plate faults above PE8 soon. PP designated. Also some KT and ST flaws.

Using this reply to better show KT and some ST as taken from pages of book scanned as below (cover).

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Correction type flaws diagram from book.

One is not looking for much of a deviation from normal for KT`s on top row, but it is not so easy to validate them. Bottom row easier but blurring and variable inking of stamps does not help. Neither does the cancel obscuring bits of the basket. I will show a few later to enhance this point. .


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ST I and ST III better shown from book.

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Some pricing to illustrate scarcity.

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First some easy to identify ST flaws. Scans have superimposed the diagrams of ST as in diagrams above.

Figure 44. ST II.

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Figure 45. ST III

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Figure 46. ST IV.

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Figure 47. A more amazing flaw on issue just post the hyper inflation but interesting. Not listed (anyone help)?

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Figure 48. KT flaw? Rough looking line, variable thickness

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Figure 49. KT on post hyper inflation issue?

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Figure 50. KT?

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Figure 51. KTs? on Official DIenstmarke overprinted (dealt with soon in detail).

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Now some PP designations. I will look up the reference for PP and develop it later with more diagrams of flaws.

Figure 52. PP12 trio with various developments in bottom left hand corner. PP12 has 4 states a to d (later information on this).

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Figure 53. PP12 on post inflation issue.

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Figure 54. PP17 trio (post horn connected by lower line to dash on right).

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Of course there are many other blotches and aberrations not always catalogued.

Figure 55. Bottom left corner.Only one I have.

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Figure 56. Ink spot. I have only one of these.

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Figure 57. Gap in overprint (common enough).

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Figure 58. Nicked top of 0.

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Figure 59. Short 1 on right hand base.

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Overprint shifts.

There are many and the value depends on the extent of the shift.
One example enlarged.

Figure 60. 10 Milliarden on 100 Millionen.

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Figure 61. Range of overprint short on various stamps.

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Figure 62. Range of interesting baskets.

a. Signed 50 Milliarden 330AP

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b. Signed as false cancel (what a pity) 50 Milliarden AP (high CV for genuine used).

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c. Mi. 329 BP 20 Milliarden

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d. Signed 2 Milliarden BP

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e. Mi. 327 BP 5 Milliarden

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f. Used Mi. 335 if genuine cancel CV €130!

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g. Mi. 336 BP

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h. Mi. 319 BP used. (€400 if genuine cancel)!

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OFFICIAL POSTAGE STAMPS

Official stamps from 1920. These do appear on Inflation era letters and should be examined.

Table 40. Mi. 16 to 33.

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Table 41. Mi. 34 to 51.


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Table 42. Mi. 52 to 56.

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Table 43. Mi. 57 to 64.


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Table 44. Mi. 65 to 68.

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Table 45. Mi. 69 to 74.

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Table 46. Mi. 75 to 88.

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Table 47. Mi. 89 to 98.

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Table 48. Mi. 99 to 104.

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Table 49. Flaws on basket issues.

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Now I shall put in my pages showing the Official stamps.

Figure 63a.


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Figure 63b.

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Figure 63 c.

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Figure 63 d.


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Enlarged Official pages.

Figure 64a.

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Figure 65b.

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Figure 65 c.

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Figure 65 d.

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Figure 65 e.

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Figure 65 f.

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Figure 65 g.

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Figure 65 h.

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Figure 65 i.

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Figure 65 j.

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PKDR pages for flaws on Dienstmarke issues.

Figure 66.

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Figure 67.

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No figure 68. (deleted duplicated 67).


Figure 69


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Figure 70. PKDR 94 f 25

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Figure 71. HT examples.

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Figure 72. Just post inflation, had to show this. Note Lilac rose with very large break.

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Not forgetting the Mi. 331b I think.

Figure 73.

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Figure 74. Flaws in Mi. 331. (PKDR)

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Finally for inflation we cannot exclude some 1920 Bayern overprints.

Figure 75. My series.

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I am not going to deal with these in detail or with flaws unless there is interest.
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There is a chance that 331 could be the 331a shade. the old Michel color was "violet-purple" and we should see more red in it vs the gray in 331b. I have 5 mint 331bs that are certainly paler and more gray.

This sample (image taken from ebay) comes from a German dealer that is pretty trustworthy and is described as a 331a

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A little more red than yours. Still Michel now has a range of "Dark Gray Purple" to "Blackish Gray Purple" for the 331a, whereas the 331b would be Bright Gray-Violet to Gray-Violet. The red would come from the Purple component I think
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Thanks for input on 331.

Scanned in a range of Mi. 268, 289 and 331. The dark to blackish grey purple seems distinct.
Stamp already shown is bottom row 2nd from right.


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Increased contrast

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Not sure about tone seems to favour the b cheap CV.

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Now I want to look at the letters and postcards I have. I recently obtained a collection illustrating the postage rates including those across the inflation years. To put the rates in context I will show the collection. The items are all on blue backing paper. I have scanned in my existing letters to match the periods mentioned in text of collection.

It is nice to see the stamps ´in action´ and as we get further into hyper inflation it is amazing to see how the cost for sending letters and cards escalated.

I shall abbreviate the figures as Postage Fig. 1, 2 etc., to separate them from the figures shown above.

Here is the title page to the postage collection.


Postage Fig.1

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A few German terms help in identifying different postage rates. The pages of stamps illustrate what issues were being used. There are similar pages for all dates.

Postage Fig.2

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Showing the earlier rates puts the inflation era into context. I have annotated some of the scans
and welcome any comments, corrections or discussion.


Postage Fig.3

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Postage Fig.4

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Postage Fig.5 Already up to 1916.

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Postage Fig.6 I like the Local post 51/2 Pf. Now up to September 1918.

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Postage Fig.7 Now we lead into the inflation period. Stamps around are as below.

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From now on I will make enlargements of items as well as show the whole pages of the collection. The main target for a detailed examination of inflation era stamps is from April 1, 1921 to Dec 1, 1923.

Below is an often quoted item from Lingens.com dealing with German Inflation 1923. These increases are reflected in items shown.

Postal Rates 
Postal rates for the period dramatically document the inflation. All postal rates, including registration fees, inland and foreign mail etc. are found in a table in the Michel Germany Specialized Catalog. Here is a summary of changes to domestic, city to city basic letter rates (Fernverkehr) and rate change dates:

Date
Rates in Marks
Apr 1, 1921 .60
Jan 1, 1922 2
Jul 1, 1922 3
Oct 1, 1922 6
Nov 15, 1922 12
Dec 15, 1922 25
Jan 15, 1923 50
Mar 1, 1923 100
July 1, 1923 300
Aug 1, 1923 1,000
Aug 24, 1923 20,000
Sep 1, 1923 75,000
Sep 20, 1923 250,000
Oct 1, 1923 2,000,000
Oct 10, 1923 5,000,000
Oct 20, 1923 10,000,000
Nov 1, 1923 100,000,000
Nov 5, 1923 1,000,000,000
Nov 12, 1923 10,000,000,000
Nov 20, 1923 20,000,000,000
Nov 26, 1923 80,000,000,000
Dec 1, 1923 100,000,000,000 or 0.10 new marks!
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Postage Fig.8

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Fig. 8a

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Postage Fig. 8b

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Postage Fig.9

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Postage Fig. 9a 31.3.1920 Rate 15Pf Inter city.

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Postage Fig. 9b 7.10.1919 Local rate 15Pf.

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Postage Fig.10

6.5.1920 to 31.3.1921.

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Postage Fig. 10a Inter city letter rate of 40Pf 6.5.1920 (first day new rate).

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Postage Fig. 10b Postcard rate given as 15Pf but with 30Pf stamp! (help)? 14. 7.1920

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Postage Fig. 11. 1.4.1921 to 31.12.1921

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Postage Fig. 11a

17.12.1921
Single franking on letter (EF). Printed matter rate (Drucksache) 15Pf. Looks like Mi. 142b (€15 CV)

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Postage Fig. 11b Postcard (Mi121a? 30Pf) with 10Pf Mi159 (a/b)?

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Postage Fig.11c

Mixed franking. 24.9.1921. Interesting shades of the 10Pf (Mi.159b)? Nice range of different issues here.

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Postage Fig.11d Postcard from 10.9.1921. 4 x Mi. 159 (a).

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Fig.11e Single franking (EF) 29.10.1921. Local post rate.

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Postage Fig.11f 15.7.21 Mixed franking (MiF) Postage at 60Pf (?)

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Postage Figure 12.

Stamps around from 1.1.1922 to 15.11.1922.

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Postage Fig. 12a

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Postage Fig. 12b

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Postage Fig. 12c

75Pf? 22.2.22 (strange piece).

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Postage Fig. 12d

125Pf rate OK for postcard rate (this type of postcard explained a little more below using Michel catalogue tables).

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Postage Fig.12e

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Postage Fig.12f

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Postage Fig.12g

Type of postcard as expanded below.


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I believe the special cancel in Fig. 8b is the postmark of the National Assembly (Nationalversammlung) first called into session on 6 Feb 1919 in Weimar. This was the start of what was to be called the Weimar Government.

Here is a souvenir postmarked on the opening day.

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Thank you maptrecker for the souvenir cancels. Great information.

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Postage Fig.12h

22.2.22.
Strange again from same addressee, as an example )12c) above for same date. False?

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Postage Fig.12i

Official stamps.

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Postage Fig.12j

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Postage Fig. 12k

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Postage Fig. 12l

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Postage Fig.12m

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Postage Fig. 10b Postcard rate given as 15Pf but with 30Pf stamp! (help)? 14. 7.1920

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Looking at the postal rate tables on page 83 of the English Language Michel Germany Specialized, the postcard rate changed from 15pf to 30pf on 6 May 1920. The 30pf stamp pays the correct rate.
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Just looked at rates on Page 83 and it clears this up. Great thanks for information. The collection item was not clear on this.

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As promised a few pages from Michel Ganzsachen-Katalog Deutshland 2003 to have a look at a few postcard rates and styles. Postcards would probably need a new thread so not too in depth in this one.

There are several postcards in this thread of the type ´Postreiter auch mit Rosettendruck` that date from 1921-22 as well as ´Postreiter mit Rosettenbeidruck`.

These types are outlined in Tables below showing form and values for various combinations. Later tables show the characterisation of the types as to when they were used, for what purpose and the postage paid.

Postage Table 1.

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Postage Table 2.

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Postage Table 3.

This shows the reasoning behind evaluating the postcards in terms of CV as well as other postcards with various stamps. Note that as in following tables the date used and the type of postage (O = local), F = Intercity>; A = different country usages). Different codes are given for the dates used cross indexed with the types of postcard.

Maybe we can discuss the evaluation of inflation letters and postcards in terms of CBV more, I would value this particularly when we get on to more complex stamps in hyo per inflation era.

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Postage Table 4.

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