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Post by firstdimension »

Check out this little beauty.

An unawarded bronze medal from the 1879 Sydney International Exhibition.

3 inches diameter.



Got this old centre page from a newspaper called THE GRAPHIC 22nd Nov, 1879 to go with it.



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Now THAT is neat. :)
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Got something here that used to come with a ribbon (kind of reddish almost like those Scottish type designs) that I inherited from my father. Would apprecite if anyone can shed some light on this. Thanks.

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Re the Medal Year Book 2006,

Date: 1945
Campaign: WW11
Branch of service: British & Commonwealth Forces
Metal: Cupro nickel or silver
Size: 36mm

All fulltime personnel of the armed forces, as long as they had served for at least 28 days between 3rd Sept 1939 and 2nd Sept 1945 were eligible for this medal. No clasps were issued with this medal, but a bronze oakleaf denoted a mention in dispatches.
The medal was struck in cupro nickel and issued unnamed, but those issued to Australian and South African personnel were officially named. The Canadian version of the medal was struck in silver.
Ribbon: Narrow red stripe in the centre, with a narrow white stripe on either side, broad red stripes on either edge and two intervening stripes of blue.

The owners name will appear around the edge of the medal.

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Firstdimension,

Thank you for this invaluable information. Just printed the information to keep with this medal. The ribbon you described does fit the one that I have in my memory. My dad passed away when I was 14 years, 3 days before Christmas. I never got to find out what this medal was all about but knew that he had served in the army. He never mentioned anything about it.

The one in my possession does not have my father's name on the edge. You mentioned clasps. Are these the top part that looks (pardon my ignorance) like a clothes hanger. That was where the ribbon was put but I did not know the significance of the ribbon or kept it and this is all I have.

Thanks again.

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Only Australian and South African personnel had their names on the edge of the medal, so was your Father none of the above?
As for the clasps, they are metal strips (usually oblong) attached and surrounding the ribbon above the medal, with other engravings etc. Below is a picture of a section of ribbon which is the correct ribbon for your Father's medal.

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Firstdimension,
My father served in Malaya and yes, I remember the ribbon, but can't remember the clasp. That was so long ago and at that time I did not pay too much attention to anything else except the medal.

Thanks for all your trouble. Really appreciate it. Have copied both of your posts to keep in a word document for posterity.

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No worries mate...any time.
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Germany: Mother's Cross in Gilt

This medal was awarded to women for having EIGHT or MORE babies - obviously no TV's back then!
The Nazi Government introduced it in 1938 to encourage women to increase the size of their families and were presented the Medal on Mothers Day. I believe they stopped presenting them in 1944.
The reverse has a facsimile engraved signature of Adolf Hitler.
I'm not sure why this one is dated 16 December - maybe that's when the eighth baby was born?

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Does anyone collect Conder tokens? I've only got one, and I'll try to post an image over the weekend. They're fascinating. There's a good read and some cracking images to be had here https://conderclub.homestead.com/index.html

Look at this beautiful Anglesey Penny

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Sherro,

Took a peek at the websites you provided. Am now cleverer in knowing what Conder tokens are. Must say that the one you have above is really beautiful. Like the engraving and relief work. I can imagine that the variety that may exist and the history behind them would definitely make them worth collecting if you know where to start and where to find them.
Thanks for the beautiful scan and the links.

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That one's not mine Andrew! I nicked that from the website. Mine's a rather scabby looking Liverpool Halfpenny. But they are truly beautiful pieces, very collectible, and very available.
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Actually this is the first time that I have been introduced to them. Bet you have quite a few pieces in your collection. Don't think I can find anything close in Malaysia but perhaps some of those Nepalese people hawking trinkets just might have one around - you never know unless you look carefully. But think of it I don't see these Nepalese hawkers around anymore - we used to get quite a few of them in town (Kuala Lumpur, Penang and Cameron Highlands) selling beads, knives, and coins. Will keep a sharper lookout if I spot them. That one you nicked from the web is really gorgeous though.
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sherro wrote:Does anyone collect Conder tokens? I've only got one, and I'll try to post an image over the weekend. They're fascinating. There's a good read and some cracking images to be had here https://conderclub.homestead.com/index.html

Look at this beautiful Anglesey Penny

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This is another great site https://www.mycoincabinet.com/
Hey Sherro

I must admit I had no idea what they were until you provided this link, you should put up the one you have.

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It took a while, my PC is dying. Note the sailing ship on this token, which was adopted as the obverse of British halfpennies (albeit facing the other way) in 1937 I think.

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Nice Sherro,

Must look up some of my old England coins to see that ship - think I remember that design.

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Picked these up at a second hand shop in remotish (is that a word?) S.A. got them for a good price.
Apparently the bloke I bought them off got them from another bloke who had them hidden under his bed because he was ashamed of his fathers history. Well I'll stick them them up here for histories sake and nothing else.
They are badges worn by followers on days of marching through the streets to show their support. They are made of aluminium, zinc and the earliest plastic ever invented (similar to bakelite).
Commonly known as "tinnies".

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Interesting badges, Rick.

The second one on the top line is for the town of Esch which is in Luxemburg.
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sh-tnoidavailable wrote:Germany: Mother's Cross in Gilt

This medal was awarded to women for having EIGHT or MORE babies - obviously no TV's back then!

The Nazi Government introduced it in 1938 to encourage women to increase the size of their families and were presented the Medal on Mothers Day. I believe they stopped presenting them in 1944.

The reverse has a facsimile engraved signature of Adolf Hitler.
I'm not sure why this one is dated 16 December - maybe that's when the eighth baby was born?

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Amazing story behind these! :)

A bloody medal for 8 kids ... I'd want a gold plated Rolls!
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Or at least a couple of nannies to help share the load. :D
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After 8 kids, it'd be like chucking bananas up Broadway :!:
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Gav, you are so crass. 8)
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firstdimension wrote:Gav, you are so crass. 8)
Yeah, I know 8)
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As a stamp collector, hat collector, port crocks, coin collector, and other things I just happen to find along the way (and never throw out) I had to share this with you.
Also to explain -"What is a clasp?"
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This is mine, it should have three clasps but somewhere along my Military journey, one got lost.
The clasp is the metal bar across the ribbon and the one to the side. A clasp represents the gaining of the medal for a second time but only one medal is issued. In this particular case, the medal was for 15 years efficient service and a bar(clasp) for every other 5 years. Medal and 3 clasps = 30 years....didn't quite make the 4th.

The medal is the Reserve Forces Medal. Officers were awarded the RFD (Reserve Forces Decoration and clasps) and could add the post-nominals, RFD. Discrimination from the old school, where Officers were the gentry and OR's ( other ranks) were the fodder. Australia has now done away with these and only award the AFM (Australian Forces Medal) to all ranks and branches of the services.

As an aside, it is strange to look at the old Honour Boards and see officers with VD after their names. As if only Officers ever got it.... :lol: :lol: (VD = Victory Decoration), OR's got the VM (Victory Medal and no post-nomiinals.)
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My other medal, at the moment.
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The Centenary Medal, lapel pin and miniature. It was only ever issued once in 2001.

For further information on honours and awards in the Order of Australia.
https://www.itsanhonour.gov.au
https://www.defence.gov.au/medals/

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waroff49,

Congratulations on getting these medals. You should be very proud to receive them. Thank you for showing them here.

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Thanks Billabong Bill AKA Waroff,

I wasn't exactly sure what the clasps represented.
Some more useful information to stow in my noggens hard drive.
Cheers for posting them up, hope you are not offended by the ones I put here.

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On the medal front, there are another few points I'd like to add.
1.Military medals and decorations fall into two classes:
a. Service decorations- for periods of service or participating in a Military Campaign.
b. Gallantry Medals, for acts of heroism/gallantry- Victoria Cross (VC), Australia Cross, Military Cross,(MC)for Officers or military Medal (MM) for OR's., Australia Star, Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC)

2. Orders of Chivalry- Order of Australia, Order of the Garter, Order of St John. etc. These may be awarded to any class of citizen. The Order of Australia has 2 divisions - Civil and Military. Citizens may be nominated for awards which are granted on warrant by the Queen of Australia, after selection procedures go through the appropriate channels. Military Division awards go through the Dept. of Defence, in a similar vain, to ascertain their worthiness for the award.

Mentioned In Dispatches- This is where there is an act/s worthy of mention but not sufficient for the awarding of a medal/decoration. It is an oakleaf, which is added to a campaign medal in which the acts took place. I believe only one is ever issued, no matter how many MID's were received. It is for the first MID.

My uncle, who got me started in collecting stamps has a MID, I'm not sure from Aftrica or the Pacific conflicts.
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For those who collect such things these were issued for the 25th anniversary of the Battle of Britain.

They were a limited edition of 1500 and this is number 88. They are made of 22 carat gold and weigh 50grms and are 50mm diameter.

They came in a set of three , this being the largest
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Would love to find ut more about this medal.

It was my Great Uncles and had been handed it on to me.

There are a couple more as well but they will come to me at a later date.

Enscribed around the edge is

"26692 L/CPL W.M. Runciman N.Z.E.F."

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Roly, that's a British War Medal, and it's in probably in VF condition. Priceless to you, but around NZ$70-NZ$100 on the market.

Over 6.5m of these were issued to British and Commonwealth troops. I imagine the other two medals are the 1914 or 1914/15 star and the Victory medal. This trio was known as "Pip, Squeak and Wilfred" after a popular comic strip of the time. This one is "Squeak".
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Sherro

I believe you are corect on the other two. I will see my Dad tomorrow (he has my Great Uncles, Dad's Uncles) other two medals. About time I had them I reckon. Dad is 92 now and probably would like to hand them on now.

From memory they too are in pristine condition.

There is also a set of miniatures as well from memory.

Apparently I am allowed to wear these medals at our ANZAC services but wear them on the other side (which ever side is the other side)

Just may do that one year ....

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Talking of coins/medals my Great Uncles also gave me this:

What is it? Coin or medalion? Value if any?

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Any info would be great.

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I've marched for the last 3 years, since my father died. I wear his medals with great pride and a lot of humility. Dad was a D-Day veteran, and helped liberate Belsen. Recipients wear the medals on the left (over the heart), we get to wear them on the right.
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Thanks Sherro

All the more reason to get the other two medals......
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Hi All,

Not sure where this one originated from, but it came down the family line somehow, and ended up with me. Has anyone got any idea what it is :?:

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Roly, that's Louis XVI, also known as Ludwig XVI, hence the "Lud", King of France and Navarre. The reverse certainly looks like a coin, but the obverse looks like a medallion. Anyone have a grasp of Latin?

H, yours is an Australian victory medallion, unofficial I think, as many different types were produced. Collectible, although probably inly in the $10-$20 range. I'd buy it.
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This is a 1 Ecu crown from France's pre-constitutional period. It should measure 41 millimeters. The mint mark "A" is for Paris. It is Craig #78, although that is very much an obsolete catalog; I do not have the Krause-Mishler catalog for the 18th Century. Fractional examples of this coin were also issued, and were the primary silver coin of the realm during this period.

The Latin phrase means "Blessed be the Name of the Lord," and is taken from one of the closing prayers of the Rosary.
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Thanks Sherro,
And I might take you up on the offer, But.... let me just firstly check with the family (mother mainly) about its history again. I would hate to sell it, and then find out it had some sort of significance. :oops:
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This is an image of a WW1 Memorial Plaque. Also known as Dead Man's Pennies or Death Pennies. They were issued by the British Government to the next of kin of any British or Commonwealth soldier killed as a result of the war. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find out anything as yet on William Makin so I dont know if he was a Digger or not.

The plaques are cast in bronze and are quite large at 125mm diameter. No rank was recorded on the plaque itself as the intention was to show equality in their sacrifice.
They came with a scroll and letter signed by the King but when I obtained this they had long vanished.

Interestingly the plaque was sent by second-class mail and arrived after the message from the King.
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As I continue to learn about making images of coins, I try to investigate every worthwhile source.

This image is terrific. Kindly tell us the device and settings you used to make the picture.
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Doug

I use a Canon CanocraftCS-P37 Scanner

Settings: True colour, 330DPI Scan resolution, 300DPI output resolution, Magnification 110%

I really dont have to do anything fancy.

I just laid the plaque on the glass screen and pressed the relevant buttons.

The Canon mentioned is not very expensive as scanners go but I find it gives top images
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Doug

One other thing. I crop the image as tight as possible and use the sharpen tool to increase the quality of the picture
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These plaques are a real challenge for anyone historically minded. The fact that they carry nothing but the soldier's name makes them very difficult to identify.

I collect a lot of WW1 memorabilia, but I can't bring myself to collect medals or such personal items. I'd forever be trying to track down relatives to give them back!
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I have, in fact, returned a number of old items to the present generation, just for fun. The most recent case, in July 2006, returned a young girl's Valentine postcard, sent to a school chum in 1910, signed "Ollodene," to her great-grandchildren.

You may think it's easy to track such a strange name from a town of just 400 people in Iowa, but it's not. :shock:

But it all worked out, and they were thrilled to death, and the local paper wrote it up, headlined "Out of the Blue."

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Well done Doug. When I see items in junk shops and second hand shops, I console myself by telling myself that the family must have "died out". Of course, in most instances, they haven't, just one selfish relative has died, and another non-sentimental one has cleaned out their house. I bet there's a whole generation who would love to reconnect with this stuff.
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I always feel rather sad about seeing a person or a families medals or memorabilia in auctions or antique shops, even sometimes a garage sale. However my attitude is one of preservation. By having these items I know that they are being looked after and as their custodian they have to be treated with respect. I also use them to enhance my historical knowledge. Through the medals I own I have learnt of many conflicts, acts of heroism and military blunders. They are also particularly useful in educating the younger generations on the futility of it all and that despite medals being given and the bravery and sacrifice they represent, I find little glory. The trouble is of course many seem to find in war that sense of glory and most of our historical tomes, particularly early ones play up the fact that the battles fought are glorious things,not times of horror and degradation
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Hi all,

We have this token or medal.

No idea what it is, looks like Jesus on one side and hebrew script on the back.

It has been suggested it's a Pilgrim medal, or it might have something to do with Freemasons :?:

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Jesus playing a nose flute might indicate a satirical type thing?

We have Israeli based board members .... they might be able to translate the Hebrew?

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Hebrew Medal

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To help in identification, could you give us the diameter in millimeters?

This is a data item all coin/medal/token queries should include, please.
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