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Argentina 1935-51 Definitive Stamps - detailed study thread

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I have been studying these definitives since approximately 1993.

I find them to be very challenging to study, given the gaps in knowledge missing even from the most advanced Argentinean specialized catalogs-e.g. Klass 1970 and Kneitschel 1951.

I hope some of the members of this forum enjoy looking at these stamps, and even maybe collecting them/studying them:

http://www.somestamps.com/issues/issues-argentina-1935-51.htm


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the papers of this issue

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Here are the papers as I currently understand them. There are a few gaps in my current study of these...the numbering scheme is my own given that there is no published scheme that addresses the papers correctly/completely.

(01) 1E1: The first early paper with wavy lines from October 1935, which I find in use thrroughout 1936.


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(02) 1E2: Mostly used in 1937/38.

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(03) 1E3: Mostly used in 1939. At times easily confused with the 1E1 paper.

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(04) 1E4: Mostly used in 1940.

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(05) CL1A: The first clay papers from 1943. The watermark is similar to that of the 1E4 paper.

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(06) CL1B: Watermark is perpendicular to the previous paper.

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(07) NGR: unwatermarked grid

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(08) NOP: opaque, thick, unwatermarked, and uncatalogued. Easiest to distinguish for the high values (5, 10, and 20 pesos).

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(09) 2C: RA straight rays; neat

(10) 2D: RA straight rays; diffuse

(11) 2N: RA straight rays; narrow features

(12) CL2A: thin, plastic-like clay paper

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(13) CL2B: thin, plastic-like clay paper, opaque and almost imposible to back scan!

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The five late papers from the 1950s

(14) 1L1:

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(15) 1L2:

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(16) 1L3:

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(17) 1L4:

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(18) 1L5:

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(19) Official clay paper, similar to CL2A, thinner, and easy to back scan for the 50c, and slightly thick and with poor perforations for the 25c.

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dos anyone on this forum collect this series?

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I definitely need help in discussing how to type this series. Does anyone in this forum collect this series?

I have published a small booklet on this issue that I am currently updating (it has a few errors and omits many of the paper details shown here) at:

http://somestamps.com/publications/arg3551-books/2007/arg3551-book01-v027-070714-ED01.pdf


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early covers with previous (San Martin) issue

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Here is a link to a few covers with the previous definitive issue (San Martin), which was only possible between october 1, 1935 and the end of that year. The San Martin stamps were subsequently demonetized and the post office allowed their exchange for the new issue during the first 90 days of 1936.

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... ro-004.htm

This cover seems to be from October 1, 1935, which would make it a first day of use for the 5c Moreno.

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the 1 peso with map boundaires

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I completed a study of this stamp as a test of what I need to for all the others. This is one of the simpler stamps in that it had a limited run (all of 1936) and was printed on one paper (my 1E1, the cream medium thickness paper).

This stamp was issued January 1, 1936, and here is a cover from January 4.

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This is the first paper (1E1):

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There are two catalogued plate varieties in Klass/Kneitschel:

long vertical line across argentina section of map

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retouched left numeral background

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there is an additional plate variety I find, and it seems to be in one of the master dies because I find two variations:

the most common has a broken curl midway along the right side edge,

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here is a detail

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the second variation also has a line break that I find in two separate specimens (one on cover).

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here is the detail

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for those who can read Spanish, I also have scans of the three major catalogs for the regular issues and the officials in Kneitschel (the most authoritative source, it seems):

Ediphila 1980:

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/ediphila.htm

Kneitschel 1951:

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/kneitschel.htm

Klass 1970:

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/klass.htm

Officials in Kneitschel:

https://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-c ... icials.htm
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two plate varieties

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Here are two plate varieties that seem to come from the master dies. They are side by side on rows 2,4, and 6 of this block.


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Here is a link to a page of a cover with these:

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... ro-005.htm
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30c first watermark 1935-44

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50c first watermark 1936-44

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1 p without boundaries first watermark 1936-44

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This stamp is also easy to type.

1p1E1:

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1p1E2:

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1p1E3:

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a nice block of the 1p1E4:

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2 pesos first watermark 1936-44

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Here is an assortment of early 2 pesos stamps. I am still in the process of typing these.

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5 pesos first watermark 1936-44

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I am also still in the process of typing these. They should serve as good training when compared to the ones I have already identified in previous posts.

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10 pesos first watermark 1936-44

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These were apparently not printed on all of the four 1E papers. I do not find, for instance, a 10p1E2....

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20 pesos first watermark 1936-44

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Some of these are the truly elusive first printing (20p1E1), and I do not find any with the 1E2 paper (taller, narrower RA).

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papers for 15cMG-20cMG-20cLC first watermark

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Flash slide shows in Picasa for the watermarks

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Now that I have scanned a good number of the stamps on the first watermark, I have used Picasa albums to load Flash comparisons to my web site.

Comparison between 1E1 and 1E2:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 26-1-2.htm

Comparison between 1E1 and 1E3:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 26-1-3.htm

Comparison between 1E1 and 1E4:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 26-1-4.htm

Comparison between 1E2 and 1E3:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 26-2-3.htm

Comparison between 1E2 and 1E4:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 26-2-4.htm

Comparison between 1E3 and 1E4:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 26-3-4.htm

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Hi rubiera:
I am very interested in this definitive series. I have been picking up covers for some years. Would be interested in discussing more with you, including dealers, sources of stamps and covers,postal rates of the period etc. You can contact me at:
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Altho it's not a area of mine I find your descriptions and pictures to be of an exelent presentation of a new topic.

well done

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Hi Tony:
Thanks for your off-line reply. All I have is a pile of covers. I buy them when I can, because I like the stamps! I know nothing about them except for your postings. However, as a postal historian I would love to learn more about rates (is such information available?) etc.
Also: Do you know of any specialist dealers in this type of material?
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encouragement and covers

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Kloster:

Thanks a lot for the encouragement. I hope that you keep coming back to these postings.

John:

Why don't we start a thread just for postal history (doesn't matter if its you or me). If you load up images of some of the covers, we can start discussing them. I know a little about them, but have no sources on rates and land/sea/air routes. As far as dealers, its all ebay for me.

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I know nothing about this area guys, but I must say I am impressed. Fantastic presentation. Thanks for the info and I am glad you decided to put it up on stampboards for prosperity. Keep it up. This is also a fantastic effort for such a new member. Well done and I look forward to dropping in from time to time to keep myself abreast of new developments.
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Thanks Amy,

Your words of encouragement much appreciated!

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current study plan

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Here is my current study plan. It has three aspects:

1. Define all of the unique printings. I am following a cronological plan. I have completed a look at the 1935-44 watermarks, and am now just beginning an indepth look at the Ministeriales (officials for the eight government ministries), to be followed by a look at the typographed stamps.
2. The plate varieties by value (from 1/2c to 20 pesos)
3. Postal History, also chronologically (rates, cancels, markings, entires, perfins, box receipts).

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officials in the Deluca book

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I include here the dates of the first shipments to post offices for each of the Ministeriales.

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M.A. officials, part 1

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I find a small RA for a 10c Type II with the 1E1 printing. Most other RA's I have seen from these printings are noticeably larger.

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The 25c for this overprint was issued in 1937 and all of my specimens are 1E2 wartermark.

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Agriculture Departmental Officials M.A.

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Here I include images of selected values with dated postmarks. After studying all of the issues for this watermark, I find that the 30c is only 1E1, and the 25c is only 1E2. It is interesting that stamps overprinted mostly in 1936, and in a small number of cases in 1937, are found used in 1939/40, when the "servicio oficial" issues were already in use. I postulate that these stamps were infrecuently used by this ministry.

March 1936

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March 1938

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April 1938

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April 1938

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May 1938

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May 1938

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July 1938

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November 1938

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March 1939

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December 1940

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Here I include three small format stamps. I still do not know if these overprint varieties are repeatable.

M nearly doubled.

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A deformed.

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M deformed.

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Officials M.A. 30c with two plate vars

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These two pairs have the same two plate varieties side by side, but the overprints are not identical. These plate varieties remind me of the alternating row pair of plate varieties in the type I 10c red plate. It is interesting to note that both pairs were postmarked on the same town and on the same day. They were likely from the same block.

The first pair:

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left stamp:

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right stamp:

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The second pair:

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left stamp:

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right stamp:

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Maybe someone has a large block of this stamp showing these repeating plate varieties?
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Post by GlenStephens »

Tony ... what a fascinating and detailed thread!

One positive suggestion .. try and limit each POST to about 5 or 6 images per post if you can.

Experience has shown us over the years here the pages load faster that way, especially for folks on slower connections.

Keep it coming .. had no idea this area was so rich in varieties! :D

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Hi, Glen:

How do I edit my posts? After I loaded so many images I realized how annoying it is to wait for a dozen images to load. The version of these posts in Spanish forums has already been edited, but I don't know how to edit my posts here.

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An excellent comprehensive study of the Argentine definitives. Well done and thanks for sharing the fruits of your passion.
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You have done a great job to share your knowledge, Thank you, I have learned a lot :)

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This is wonderful stuff - real philately! I hope you'll continue to post on it.
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I also hope you keep posting these. I have oceans of these stamps, and haven't tried to make any sense of them in years.

Unfortunately, I won't have much to contribute to the discussion, except perhaps occasional questions. I really don't know anything about these issues.

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Folks:

Thanks for the words of encouragement. Even if you don't think you can contribute the study, I very much hope you share some images of your Argentina 1935-51 stamps. I am sure I will enjoy that!

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Congratulations, I have rarely been so absorbed, it took me 2 hours just to browse your website, let alone read it in any detail.

You got my attention, well done and thank you. You are well and truly

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Experimental Particle Physics has been derided as stamp collecting by some, and I would like to illustrate here why this comparison, although understandable, is wrong. The unstable and massive particles that have been discovered at various particle accelerators since the 1960s can decay to various combinations of lighter particles. For example, the B meson can decay to various combinations of lighter D mesons and various combinations of even lighter pions. Each of the decay combinations is called a mode. A high rate usage on an envelope-e.g. the 77 shilling rate found on some modern Kenya covers. The cover below has seven 11 shilling stamps. If Kenya issued a 77 shilling stamp (which I think it does not), this cover could have been franked with a single stamp.
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thanks!

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Much obliged to you for those kind words.

Do tell about the Zimbadwe covers, I know nothing about them. Also, if you point me to some images, that will be great.

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Sorting out Argentina 1935-51 Part 1

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Now that I have scanned a large number of these stamps with the ondulating rays watermark from 1935 to 1941, I aim to describe all of the early printings-those over the first two papers, 1E1, and 1E2.

During my brief foray into the M.A. Departmentals, I noticed that all 25c are from 1937 and 1E2, and all 30c are from 1936, and 1E1.


This is my plan towards an issue chronology during 1935/36/37:

1. The 1E1 "cents" issues from October 1, 1935 (1/2c, 1c, 2c, 3c SM green, 4c gray, 5c offset, 6c, 10c I typographed, 12c brown, 20c JMG)
2. The Departmentals for this group 1, all placed in circulation end of 1935 and beginning 1936.
3. The 1c, 5c, 10c II typographed, and the offset 15c dark blue cattle, 20c MG light blue, and the values between 25c and 20 pesos ( 1 peso only with boundaries) all on the 1E1 paper.
4. The Departmentals for this group 3, all placed in circulation throughout 1936 (5c typographed, 10c II, 15c, 20c MG, 25c, 30c, 50c, 1p without boundaries).
5. The 1 peso without boundaries 1E1 and 1E2, from February 1937 onwards. This stamp may be our best shot to define the issuing boundary between the 1E1 and the 1E2 paper.
6. The Departmentals for this group 5.
7. The 'cents' issues on the 1E2 paper, for which so far I only find the 1/2c?
8. The values from 25c to 20 pesos on the 1E2 paper, for which I do not find only the 2p, 10p, and 20p. It may be that these stamps do exist.
9. The Departmentals for this group 8 (on the 1E2 paper) for the 25c, 30c, 50c, 1p without boundaries.

An for each of these we need to determine which come with the watermark reading horizontally or vertically. Reminder of what the 1E2 looks like:

Horizontally:

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Vertically:

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A lot went on during the first two and a half years of issue for these stamps!

I hope I get some help with this work. If you use the 25c M.A.'s as guides, they are all 1E2. And if you use the 30c M.A., they are all 1E1.

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new blog

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I have started a blog for the study here:

http://arg3551.blogspot.com/

Even though I will keep posting on this forum as the study develops, there is very specific material that I will only add to the blog.

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Tony, great display and commentary.

Do I see one or two of the covers you got from me?

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Great that you are also interested in the stamp forums. I have not yet loaded any of your covers because I am going sequentially and the Continental Grain correspondence material I have from you and ebay is all World War II.

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Tony:

I came across these a few months ago and wondered if they are a completely different printing? The watermark appears to be the same for both (but I'm not skilled at getting the scanner to show the watermark as yet..still trying):

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I went through quite a few and this one jumped out at me as being quite different. Is it just faded or is something missing?

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the 5 pesos printings

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John:

I have described the printings for this stamp in somestamps. The easiest way to describe these is as follows:

Scott and even the specialized Argentinean catalogs Kneitschel and Klass do not distinguish between the issues on one set of colors and that were printed between 1936 and 1950 on the early papers with the first watermark, the unwatermarked paper, and the paper with the second watermark (the very rare straight rays printing); and the second set on very different colors from the printings that took place beginning in 1951, and of which the stamp on the right is one of. Notice that the postmark on the right hand stamp has the font used during the 1950s.

Here is the main link in somestamps:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/5p10p20 ... types.html

The late printings (like the stamp on the right) are described in the 5P1L pages:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/5p10p20p/argentina-1935-51-5P1L.html

Its a little complicated, and if you still have questions, post again and I will take another crack at this one. This is my favorite stamp from this issue, and I have basically studied it to death. Do check out a bunch of plate varieties only found for the 5P1L printings.

It looks like the stamp on the left is postmarked in 1941/42? Its probably a 5P1E3 or 5P1E4....but I am just guessing.

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10c Rivadavia Red in the Tenorio Casal article

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About the 10c Rivadavia Red the articulo published by Tenorio Casal mentions the following:

During the first printings of this issue in 1935, "photoetched typography was used, which was used with success for the 10 centavos value. Te meet immediate needs, 1.200.000 stamps were printed, with the unique feature that the the design is more than 0,5 mm larger than the other values of the issue...At the same time there is a printing error, in which the tip of the inner coat as it meets the neck has a gap of missed design. After this quantity was used up, a second printing was placed in circulation December 17, 1935, with the smaller design. There are two types which can be differentiated in that in the first one the leftmost pocket near the name Bernardino is completely drawn in with color, while in the second one it is deffective."

First plate: 27 mm height, 21 mm width
Second Plate: 26.7 mm height, 20.6 mm width

"In september 1938 a third plate was used in two printings, with design dimensions similar to the second plate but with the leftmost pocket drawn in as in the first plate, and which features make differentiation of this stamp difficult."

"First plate: onlyu one printing with all the Ministry Officials.
Second plate: two printings with all the Ministry Officials, except M.R.C.
Third Plate: two printings with all the Ministry Officials, except M.A., M.J.I. and M.R.C. These were also overprinted 'Servicio Oficial'."

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selvage on regular issue 10c Rivadavia Reds

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Here are representative images of the four selvages found on this stamp. Next is to match these conclusively to the plates as described by Tenorio. It seems that the plate 1 early low volume printing he refers to is the first selvage, which has a small red stripe along the edge:

First selvage, with thin red stripe along the edge:

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 029-b1.htm

This selvage is the same format as found on other "cents" 1E1 stamps issued October 1, 1935.

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Because Tenorio mentions that the second plate has a type I and a type II, I am not sure which of these three selvages correspond to the second plate.

The selvage shown below is the same as that of the large block I described previously. It is Type I.

Selvage with six horizontal narrowly aligned stripes

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 029-b3.htm

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It is interesting that the selvage shown below is for type II stamps, but printed on a dark red that is similar to that used for the type I of 1935. This one may be one of the second plate printings.

Selvage with a single bar

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 029-b2.htm

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The last selvage found on this stamp correspond to the most common printing. This stamp was printed in a continuous roll press, and the selvage stripes are vertical to avoid ink collecting on the plate selvage. This selvage is for Type II stamps.

Vertical lines:

https://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/referen ... 029-b4.htm

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Thank you Tony. I will check out the watermark again and look at the varieties you have shown. The detail you're offering is great.

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How this series came about

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Thanks to a reference provided by one of the 'Foreros,' I learned about the existence of the book published by the Argentinean Post Office, Volume I, in 1939, by Antonio Deluca, and titled "Stamps and other postal and telegraph issues." This book contains key information about Arg3551, about which Deluca mentions the following:

The decision to replace the San Martin issue by a new series came from 1931, but was abandoned due to the Argentinean Post Office 's economic hardship. Its director, Mr. Carlos Risso Dominguez, sent a memorandum to the Ministry of the Interior, dated November 28, 1932, in which he outlines basic facts about this series that I did not know before I obtained this book. The basic facts contained in this memorandum are:

1. There were several postal forgery incidents that cost the Argentinean Post Office a large loss of revenue. "In 1921 a postal forgery of the 5c stamp was found, and it incurred a loss of aproximately 1 million pesos of national currency in a few months. There seems to be an additional forgery of higher quality and affecting the 2c and 5c values. It is then without doubt that the prolonged use of the same stamp type conspires against its legitimacy and affects adversely our collection of revenue."
2. Four categories were proposed for the new issue:

"a) Publish the likenesses of those signing the Declaration of Independence..."
"b) Publish the likenesses of those signing the 1853 Constitution..."
"c) Publish a selection of the likenesses of important military and civilian figures...and in addition add simbolic figures representing the Republic as shown on our currency, and mainly the Argentinean shield in its authentic model."
"d) Finally...use the stamps for an increased awareness of our products and therefore put in effect a news-wrothy promotion in its favor, just as other countries do..."

There then take place several bureaucratic steps tipically required for a new stamp series: authorization by the Ministry of the Interior, design contest, and authorization by the President of the Republic. The second memorandum containing facts about this series was sent by the commission making recommendations on this new issue to the Argentinean Post Office on July 4 1933:
How this seriers came about

1. " The commission proposes the portraits for the following important figures to be featured in as many issues: San Martin, Rivadavia, Moreno, Belgrano, Sarmiento, Mitre, Urquiza, Rodriguez, Guemes, Velez Sarsfield. Within the context of promoting, the commission indicates, of course, the map of the Argentinean Republic, and the following industries: Cattle, Agriculture, Oil, Wine-making, and Sugar Cane."
2. This memorandum recommends the use of papel without watermark, somewhat thicker than the one being used at the time for typographed printing, and with white gum. It is interesting that the characteristics in this recommendation correspond to only one of the 18 papers for Arg3551: the NOP, or opaque paper not in the catalogs from aproximately 1948.
3. The recommended dimensions are: 19 by 24 mm, and 21 by 28 mm.
4. The designs and initial printing quantities recommended are:
1/2c Urquiza (50 millones); 1c Guemes (30 millones); 3c Rodriguez (120 millones); 5c Agricultura (60 millones); 6c Sarmiento (40 millones); 10c Belgrano (300 millones); 15c Mapa (20 millones); 20c Mitre (10 millones); 30c Sugar (12 millones); 35c Cattle (6 millones); 40c Wine-making (10 millones); 50c Velez Sarsfield (6 millones); 1p Oil Industry (2.5 millones); 5p Rivadavia (50000), 10p Moreno (20000), 20p San Martin (10000).
5. Only one design is recommended for the oficial issues, with each denomination having its own color: "The current system, is unappealing and very costly, because it forces specialized printings of the overprints. In addition, the wide range of papers and printings of the stamps and of the very same overprints, cause that collectors seek them, causing a disfunctional inventory, given that they cannot be acquired at post offices..." This memorandum includes other details about the official issues, including proposed values and printing quantities.

The Casa de Moneda (the Argentinean Treasury, in charge of printing stamps) makes the following design and respective denomination recommendations to the Argentinean Post Office on May 23, 1934:
Mitre 1/2c y 1c; Sarmiento 2c; Moreno 10c; Belgrano 5c y 20c; Southern National Park 12c; Sugar 10c; Argentinean Republic, wheat 15c; America and the Argentinean Republic, fruits of the country 5c; Oil 2c; Agriculture 10c; Republic and the farmer 5c; Christ of the Andes 2c; Republic and Shield 12c; Wheat Stalks 5c y 10c; Allegorical figure and wheat 10c; Iguazu Falls 50c. The most interesting fact in this memorandum is mention of Iguazu Falls. This memorandum mentions many designs that were not adopted.

Deluce mentions documents that relate to collaboration between the Argentinean Treasury and the Argentinean Post Office, it which the adopted characteristics are outlined: the use of a small format for the values up to 20c, and of the large format for values 25c and up.

On July 16 of 1934 the Patriot values as we know them from 1/2c to 20c were finalized. Durante the period spanning October 25, 1934 and February 13, 1935 the Resources values as we know them from 25c to 20 pesos were finalized.

On September 14, 1935, the Argentinean Post Office took the following actions:

1. Decides to issue on October 1, 1935 the 1/2c, 1c, 2c, 3c, 4c, 5c, 6c, 10c, 12c, y 20c (fullname version: JMG) values.
2. Demonetizes from January 1, 1936 onwards the previous (San Martin) issue.
3. Allows the exchange of San Martin stamps for the new stamps during the first 90 days of 1936.

On November 22, 1935, the Argentinean Post Office decides to issue the 15c, 25c, 30c, 40c, 50c, 1p with map boundaries, 2p, 5p, 10p, and 20p values January 1, 1936.

According to Deluca, public notice of the new issue "was made by special announcements, and the printing of 5000 stamps for each value." I speculate that these stamps are the ones we come across with specimen ( "MUESTRA") overprint.
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My reference scheme

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I use my own reference scheme to describe Arg3551. This reference scheme enables me to have a more complete listing of the issues. I consider it a temporary scheme until I am able to arrive at a fairly complete listing.

The scheme combines:
1. The donomination in a computer-friendly format: For example, instead of 1/2c I use 05c, and instead of 2 1/2 c, I use 2p5c.
2. Mention of the person on the stamp (optional) or name acronym: I need this naming convention for the 3 centavos stamp, which was issued with the San Martin (SM) and Mariano Moreno (M) designs. The 20c Martin Guemes was issued with (JMG) or without (MG) the middle name shown.
3. Reference to the paper if I know of more than one: There are 30c1E1, 30c1E2, etc. If the stamp was only issued on one paper, there is no need for this naming convention, as is the case for the 3cSMGr, which was only issued on the 1E1 paper.
4. An additional reference for a specific plate: This naming convention is required for the 10c Rivadavia red, with types I and II, and the 10c Rivadavia Brown, with types A and B.
5. An additional reference for a scpecific color: This naming conventions is required for the 15c Small Format Cattle, issued in dark blue and only on the 1E1 paper, as 15cSC-D, and also issued in light blue and on a later paper, as 15cSC-L.

I mention several examples that show how my naming convention works:
1. The 8c was issued on one design, on one paper, on one plate, and on one color. Reference: 8c.
2. The 10c Rivadavia was issued in red and a range of browns, on many papers, and on at least four plates. Example references: 10cR-I, 10cBRCL1-A.

For the 18 papers I use the following scheme:
1. The early papers with the first watermark are the 1Ex papers, with x as of this edition being 1 to 4.
2. The clay papers were printed in two groups, CL1A and CL1B in 1943; and CL2A and CL2B in the 1950s.
3. The unwatermarked papers are of two types: grid from 1945 (NGR), and opaque from approximately 1948 (NOP).
4. The paper with the second watermark is found in three types: clear (2C), diffuse (2D), and with narrow rays (2N).
5. The late papers with the first watermark are the 1Lx papers, with x as of this edition being 1 to 5.
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