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A detailed guide to GB QV 1d Red 1854-1864 'Stars' perforated stamps

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 05:51
by emason
The GB 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stamps - A Simplified Guide

Part 1. The Issues



Introduction

Before the official issue of perforated one penny stamps in February 1854, there had been several experimental attempts to produce a satisfactory means of separating stamps easily. Most notably: the 'Treasury Roulette' of 1848; the 'Archer' experiments of 1850-1854, and the 'Government trials' of 1853. These form an interesting group in themselves and are much sought after, but are outside the scope of this guide.

The official 'Penny Red Stars Perforated' stamps as a group are a series of issues which most collectors seem to be content to gloss over, possibly due to a commonly perceived notion that they are “too complex” a subject on which to spend much time - and "they all look alike" anyway!. However, I hope to show that, not only are they worth spending time on, but they are the most fascinating and rewarding issues of the Victorian line-engraved stamps which to collect and study.


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General
The most convenient way of referring to the ‘penny stars perforated’ series is by using the Gibbons specialised numbers, C1 to C13. The S.G. numbers are too general and often refer just to the shade.

In the first three and a half year period - 1854 to 1857 - there were no less than eleven issues of this one penny stamp. In the seven years following - 1857 to 1864 - until the issue of the ’penny plates’, there were a further three issues.

And then there are the colours! Considering there were only two 'official' colours, red-brown (C1 to C8) and rose-red (C10 to C13), there are a myriad of shades including yellow-brown, orange-red, claret, rose, plum etc., and just about every shade in between to add to the interest.

In the whole ten years of this issue there were used - two dies, two perforations, three watermarks, three alphabets and three types of paper, all of which can be identified with a bit of practice. It is the purpose of this guide to help you make sense of this series and to identify any 1d perforated stars stamp you may have.

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The five characteristics

Each stamp can be broken down into five identifiable characteristics. These are, in no particular order: 1) the die; 2) the perforation; 3) the watermark; 4) the alphabet, and 5) the paper. By determining each of these, the stamp can be identified to a particular issue (C1 to C13).

The Dies
Die 1 is the original die used for all imperforate stamps from the 1d black onwards, until it was replaced by Die 2 in February 1855. The plate numbering was re-started from number 1 for Die 2.

Die 1 and Die 2.
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Having been used to produce over 200 plates, die 1 had become very worn as can be seen from the lack of detail on the Queen’s head. The Queen’s face on die 2 looks 'chubbier' with fuller lips and distinct lines of shading on the cheek and neck.

Issues: Die 1 was used only for C1 and C2. All other were die 2.

The Perforations
Put your perforation gauge away - you don't need it. Just count the number of perforation peaks along the top or bottom of the stamp and that is it. It will be either 14 or 16 because perforations are specified as so many per two centimetres and the stamps are conveniently exactly 2cm wide.

Perforations: Perf 14, Perf 16.
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Issues: Perf 16 was used for C1, C4, C5 and C11. All others were perf 14.

The Watermarks
The small crown watermark was replaced by the large crown type I watermark in May 1855. The large crown type II was used briefly in 1861 for the C13 issue.

Small Crown, Large crown type 1, Large crown type 2
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Issues: Small crown was used for C1 to C4, and C7. All others were large crown.

The Alphabets
Alphabet 2 was replaced by alphabet 3 in August 1855. In general, alphabet 3 characters are taller and thinner than the characters of alphabet 2. Alphabet 4 characters were larger again, being hand cut instead of punched, and were used for only two plates in 1861.

Top to bottom: alphabet 2, alphabet 3, alphabet 4.
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Issues: Alphabet 2 was used for C1 to C6, and C13. Alphabet 3 for C7 to C12. Alphabet 4 for C12.

The Papers
Blued, cream and white papers:
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Issues: Blued paper was used for C1 to C8. White paper for C8A and C10 to C13. Cream paper is only found on C9 and is described by Gibbons as “Yellowish to cream toned paper” which it describes as being “rough and occasionally thicker”.

Progression of characteristics
There is a simple progression in which there is usually only characteristic change between any one issue and the next. (C7, C12 and C13 are exceptions). The highlighted characteristic(s) indicates the change from the previous issue.

C1 – (Die 1: Alphabet 2: W/m Small Crown: Perf 16, Blued paper).
C2 – (Die 1: Alphabet 2: W/m Small Crown: Perf 14, Blued paper).
C3 – (Die 2: Alphabet 2: W/m Small Crown: Perf 14, Blued paper).
C4 – (Die 2: Alphabet 2: W/m Small Crown: Perf 16, Blued paper).
C5 – (Die 2: Alphabet 2: W/m Large Crown: Perf 16, Blued paper).
C6 – (Die 2: Alphabet 2: W/m Large Crown: Perf 14, Blued paper).
C7 – (Die 2: Alphabet 3: W/m Small Crown: Perf 14, Blued paper).
C8 – (Die 2: Alphabet 3: W/m Large Crown: Perf 14, Blued paper).
C8A – (Die 2: Alphabet 3: W/m Large Crown: Perf 14, White paper).
C9 – (Die 2: Alphabet 3: W/m Large Crown: Perf 14, Cream paper).
C10 – (Die 2: Alphabet 3: W/m Large Crown: Perf 14, White paper).
C11 – (Die 2: Alphabet 3: W/m Large Crown: Perf 16, White paper).
C12 – (Die 2: Alphabet 4: W/m Large Crown: Perf 14, White paper).
C13 – (Die 2: Alphabet 2: W/m Large Crown type 2: Perf 14, White paper).

Or if you prefer a visual representation:-

A summary chart
All the above information is tabulated into a summary chart.
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Once you have established your five characteristics, simply look along the horizontal line of each issue (C1-C13) to see which one matches all your characteristics (there will only be one), and there you have it.

General notes
The C7 is considered an ‘abnormal’ as it was printed on a few remaining sheets of Small crown watermarked paper after the Large crown was introduced. Consequently it has a high CV but it is not a particularly rare stamp.

The C9 is the so called the ‘transitional issue’ printed in the first 6 months of 1857 on 'cream' paper. There are no Red-brown or Rose-red stamps in this issue, and they are generally of paler shades than those of other issues.

The C13 issue of 1862 (alphabet 2) was printed from the two reserve plates manufactured in 1855 for the C3 to C6 issues.

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(Continued . . . )

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 05:53
by emason
The GB 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' - A Simplified Guide

Part 2. The Colours and Shades

General
The nominal colour of the issues C1 to C8A was ‘red-brown’, and for C10 to C13 it was ‘rose-red’. But the coloured inks used were mixed by hand to produce the nominal colour and were probably not accurately measured resulting in different shades. But some colours of issues are so far removed from the nominal that one wonders if the person mixing the inks was colour-blind to whom every colour looked brown.

This is particularly noticeable in the stamps from C1 and C8, where Gibbons list five shades of the C1 and seven shades of the C8. A more consistent colour was achieved with the Rose-red shades of C10 to C13, which do not show a wide variation.

One has to treat the Gibbons colour description with a bit of leeway, as each is not a specific colour, it is a ‘pigeon-hole’ for a colour of which there are many shades, as can be seen here:

C1 Shades

Red-brown shades.
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Yellow-brown shades.
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Other listed shades:
Brick-red and Orange-red.
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Unlisted shades:
Orange and Orange-brown
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All of these are from what should be a Red-brown stamp!

C5 Shades
'Very deep red-brown'
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C8 Shades
Apart from the Red-brown shades, there are:

Brick-Red, Plum, Brown-rose
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Orange-brown, Claret, Orange-red
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C10 Shades
Rose-red, Deep rose-red, bright Rose-red
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Reference chart
This chart shows which colours and shades are found in which issue. The red "+" indicates an unlisted shade which is known to exist.
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Now tell me “they all look the same”!
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Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 06:18
by Remco Mouthaan
They all look the same.. :).

Great info though, perfectly suited for an idiot like me, thanks !

Remco

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 06:27
by emason
Remco Mouthaan wrote:They all look the same.. :).
You don't mix inks for a living do you? :wink:

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 06:39
by johnrcrow
Shades came up well for me.

Thanks for thread.

Do you want input.

I have a lot of like stamps and many more to sort.

John

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 06:43
by stampogre
Thanks

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 07:02
by emason
johnrcrow wrote:Shades came up well for me.

Thanks for thread.

Do you want input.

I have a lot of like stamps and many more to sort.

John
John, on my screen the shades show a lot duller than in reality - a bit of disappointment there.

Anything you can add would be welcome.

Good luck with the sorting - I hope you find a few gems. I find that most stamps bought from non-specialised dealers are unplated, and quite a few plates from certain issues have a high CV. They are just waiting to be discovered, and I have found a few myself.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 08:01
by Remco Mouthaan
Nahh, i don't mix anything....yet. :)

Remco

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 09:32
by johnrcrow
Indeed trying to show shades is a real difficulty via computer.

I am trying to do the same in my current German thread

.https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=67110

I find tweaking by altering saturation and contrast to get desired ´effect` is helpful.


I am scanning in some plated C6 for now, just to hand.


Scan 1. C6 plated copies

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Scan 2. Enlarged C6 Plate 10, C6 Plate 11, C6 Plate 12. Three very different shades.

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I will re-scan them black background tomorrow since I mounted them on rather granity paper. Look OK in album but not scanned.


I have decent C1, 4, 8 and 10´s I can show if it helps thread along and help me sort them of course, I am sure they need reassessing.

John

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 09:36
by chaddy
An excellent post.Should prove to be very helpful.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 09:56
by kuikka
Bill,

Would you like to post this thread to my Free Internet Stamp Catalogues thread (http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=60568). I find this very useful and enlightening and I think many others will think the same. The formatting instruction is in the first post.

Thank you,

Kimmo

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 13:38
by asmodeus
This could be useful, too....
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Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 11 Dec 2015 19:57
by johnrcrow
Very useful article, I shall look for the line.

John

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 12 Dec 2015 03:51
by asmodeus
Only two known unused block of four SG C10 plate 64 exist.
This is mine :D

The fields "IG" and "IH" are missing imprimaturs.
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Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 12 Dec 2015 04:42
by emason
asmodeus wrote:Only two known unused block of four SG C10 plate 64 exist.
This is mine :D
Wow! One of the three rarest C10 plates - Envy.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 12 Dec 2015 05:05
by emason
kuikka wrote:Bill,
Would you like to post this thread to my Free Internet Stamp Catalogues thread (http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=60568). I find this very useful and enlightening and I think many others will think the same. The formatting instruction is in the first post.
Thank you,
Kimmo
Done.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 12 Dec 2015 05:32
by kuikka
Thank you very much. Hopefully it will direct much traffic to your excellent thread.

Kimmo

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 12 Dec 2015 12:22
by mozzerb
One word of caution, albeit from a non-specialist (but one who sees what the specialists are saying)?

Opinion among the collectors of the Yahoo Mulready group (almost a must-join for the keen line engraved collector) and the GBPS (ditto!) seems to be tending towards thinking that the Gibbons Specialised listings for C8-C10 need a serious rewrite, for clarity and to better describe what was actually happening at the time.

In particular, there's a lot of scepticism about C8A, the high cat "white paper" stamp. Not only is there no record of any experiments to remove the blueing of the paper, the blueing itself isn't stable and any stamp with prussiate of potash in the ink had the potential to turn blue. So a C8A on this view is essentially a C8 that hasn't turned blue yet.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 12 Dec 2015 20:53
by COLIN
Thank you, this was a stunning read and so clearly laid out.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 12 Dec 2015 21:47
by hycgan
to emason etal,
great informative thread, please keep adding to it,
very much appreciated, :D

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 13 Dec 2015 03:36
by Britcollector
Yes, Thanks

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 13 Dec 2015 04:30
by emason
mozzerb wrote:One word of caution, albeit from a non-specialist (but one who sees what the specialists are saying)?

Opinion among the collectors of the Yahoo Mulready group (almost a must-join for the keen line engraved collector) and the GBPS (ditto!) seems to be tending towards thinking that the Gibbons Specialised listings for C8-C10 need a serious rewrite, for clarity and to better describe what was actually happening at the time.

In particular, there's a lot of scepticism about C8A, the high cat "white paper" stamp. Not only is there no record of any experiments to remove the blueing of the paper, the blueing itself isn't stable and any stamp with prussiate of potash in the ink had the potential to turn blue. So a C8A on this view is essentially a C8 that hasn't turned blue yet.
While agreeing with the gist of this, I also think that the C10(2) pale red and the C10(3) pale rose should really be C9(3) and C9(4) respectively, even though they are on white paper.

I think the problems with the C8A, C9 and C10 issues arose because of Gibbon's narrow definition of C9 on "yellow to cream toned paper" and calling it the "Transitional Issue", immediately creating a vaccuum for the C8A and C10(2) and C10(3) which then had to be 'shoe-horned' into their present positions and sitting uneasily there as a result.

I think the solution to this is to say that the red-brown shades are a C8, the rose-red shades are a C10, and anything in between is 'Transitional' and therefore a C9, and treat the toned papers as varieties - or even ignore them.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 13 Dec 2015 05:26
by johnrcrow
I am posting a contribution of my C1, C4, C6, C8 and C10 examples.

Most are plated (not by me) and most bought from reputable dealer.

In terms of shade definitions, I have scanned in stamps as normal with no manipulation and then with manipulation to increase saturation and contrast.

I hope this is of interest.

I have made enlargements of stamps for C1 to C8. I am looking to exaggerate any shades to begin to identify them according to given criteria.

I can expand on this later.

The C10 are as stated above generally a very similar shade.

I am scanning about 5 pages a time as advised by admin.
Scan 1. C1 page without manipulation.


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Scan 2. C1 page with some manipulation.


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All close up are from manipulated images.


Scan 3. Close ups of C1 page. Plates 167-179.


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Four shades here?

Scan 4. Close ups C1 page. Plates 180-189.


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Scan 5. Close ups C1 page. Plates 190-192


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Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 13 Dec 2015 06:42
by johnrcrow
Scan 6. Close ups of C1 page. Plates 193-195.


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Scan 7. Close ups of C1 page. Plates 196-203.


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Scan 8. C4 plates


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Scan 9. Close up C4 plates 1-5.


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Scan 10. Close up C4 plates 6-10.


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Scan 11. Close up C4 plates 11-12.


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Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 13 Dec 2015 06:51
by johnrcrow
Scan 12 C6 plates page.


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Scan 13. Close ups C6 plates 1-10.


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Scan 14. Close ups C6 plates 6-13.


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Scan 15. C8 plates page.


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Scan 16. C8 plates 24-32.


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Scan 17. C8 plates 33-37.


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Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 13 Dec 2015 07:06
by johnrcrow
Scan 18. C10 page 1.

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Scan 19. C10 page 2.


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If anyone wants a single stamp enlarged feel free to ask.

The point was to show the plates I have as well as indicating that shades can be ámplified`.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 14 Dec 2015 01:24
by mozzerb
emason wrote:While agreeing with the gist of this, I also think that the C10(2) pale red and the C10(3) pale rose should really be C9(3) and C9(4) respectively, even though they are on white paper.

I think the problems with the C8A, C9 and C10 issues arose because of Gibbon's narrow definition of C9 on "yellow to cream toned paper" and calling it the "Transitional Issue", immediately creating a vaccuum for the C8A and C10(2) and C10(3) which then had to be 'shoe-horned' into their present positions and sitting uneasily there as a result.

I think the solution to this is to say that the red-brown shades are a C8, the rose-red shades are a C10, and anything in between is 'Transitional' and therefore a C9, and treat the toned papers as varieties - or even ignore them.
That's also in essence the view of the Mulready group collectors (as I understand it). In particular, the "transitional" terminology seems unhelpful because there doesn't seem to have been an actual smooth transition! It seems to be a case of philatelists (or SG) classifying the stamps by appearance without looking closely at the history.

If I understand correctly (open to correction if not):

The key turning point is the fire at the Perkins Bacon premises in 1857, which resulted in production being moved to Savoy Street for a few weeks, and proceeding thereafter with different inks. It seems that PB, on the basis of "never let a good crisis go to waste", took the opportunity to do what they'd wanted to do for a while anyway and changed to a cheaper ink formula without the prussiate of potash -- and without saying that they were doing that, although the PO had suspicions.

The paper itself would presumably not have changed significantly as it wasn't supplied by PB anyway? So a better grouping might be pre-fire printings, Savoy Street printings, post-fire printings.

It's also speculated that the fire ... may not have been entirely accidental, given what was saved and what was lost. Suspicion only at this distance in time though, of course!

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 14 Dec 2015 01:29
by joelk
Excellent thread, Bill!

And thank you for adding in such great quality and very well structured information.

Like many other GB collectors, I didn't really know all this beyond the obvious perf and weatermark differences. It really does whet the appetite.

Thank you so much.

Cheers,
Joel.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 14 Dec 2015 05:50
by emason
mozzerb wrote:If I understand correctly (open to correction if not):
The key turning point is the fire at the Perkins Bacon premises in 1857, which resulted in production being moved to Savoy Street for a few weeks, and proceeding thereafter with different inks. It seems that PB, on the basis of "never let a good crisis go to waste", took the opportunity to do what they'd wanted to do for a while anyway and changed to a cheaper ink formula without the prussiate of potash -- and without saying that they were doing that, although the PO had suspicions.

The paper itself would presumably not have changed significantly as it wasn't supplied by PB anyway? So a better grouping might be pre-fire printings, Savoy Street printings, post-fire printings.
For the benefit of other readers of this thread. There was a fire at Perkins Bacon's Whitefriars Street printing works on the 11th March 1857, destroying stocks of ink, printed stamps and watermarked paper and production was moved to temporary premises in Savoy Street.

The pre-fire C9 shades printed at the Whitefriars Street premises are the Orange-Brown C9(1), Red-Orange C9(2) and Pale Red C9(3). After the fire, and printing had moved to Savoy Street, the Orange-Brown and Red-Orange shades disappeared leaving only the Pale Red (albeit much paler), and a new shade appeared - Pale Rose C9(4).
Orange-Brown and Red-Orange.
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Thus the Pale Red shades can be split into 'pre-fire' and 'Savoy Street' based on the depth of colour. However, late in the Savoy Street period, deeper shades of the Pale Red appeared but with a slightly different hue to the pre-fire Pale Reds and are difficult to distinguish from the pre-fire Pale Reds.
Pre-fire Pale Red and Savoy Street Pale Red.
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The first printings of the Pale Rose at Savoy Street were very pale, so much so that there were complaints of "thin and gritty" ink, after which the true Pale Rose appeared.
"Thin and gritty" Pale Rose and Pale Rose.
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Eventually, printing was moved back to the Whitefriars Street premises, and printings from this period are almost indistinguishable from the later Savoy Street printings. So perhaps there should be only two groups: 'Pre-fire' and 'Post-fire', as Savoy Street printings were 'Post-fire'.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 14 Dec 2015 06:00
by emason
joelk wrote:Excellent thread, Bill!

And thank you for adding in such great quality and very well structured information.

Like many other GB collectors, I didn't really know all this beyond the obvious perf and weatermark differences. It really does whet the appetite.

Thank you so much.

Cheers,
Joel.
Thank you Joel and others for your kind words. I hope I have been able to open your eyes and re-awaken a dormant interest in this group of stamps.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 07:19
by emason
The GB 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' - A Simplified Guide

Part 3. Alphabet 2 and Alphabet 3 Differences

In Part 1 of this guide a general outline was given as to the difference between the characters of alphabet 2 and alphabet 3: "In general, alphabet 3 characters are taller and thinner than the characters of alphabet 2", and four examples given.

To many collectors, distinguishing between these two alphabets is probably the most difficult part of identifying the 'one penny stars perforated'. To help with this, here is the complete range of letters from 'A' to 'T', side by side for comparison.

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Notes
1. Gibbons Specialised Catalogue shows up to four examples (all slightly different) for each letter of each of the four alphabets. Shown above are typical examples and individual letters may vary slightly. But so long as the general difference is remembered "alphabet 3 characters are taller and thinner than the characters of alphabet 2", distingishing between the two should present little difficulty.

2. The are two very different letter 'K's. Both are shown and the lower one is generally called a 'Gothic K'.

3. The 'P's of alphabet 2 are frequently 'blind', i.e. the loop is filled in, giving a distinctive appearance.

4. I don't have enough examples of alphabet 4 to show here, as there were only two plates with this alphabet.

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Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 23 Dec 2015 03:17
by johnrcrow
Very useful information and very well presented.

Thanks.

John

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 31 Dec 2015 05:56
by emason
I have been disappointed by the poor display of the the various shades I had posted, in that the colours were very dull compared to the actual colours found in this group of stamps. So following John's example, I manipulated the image of the following scan to show them as close to the original colours as possible (on my screen). As it was a single scan, the shades can be compared directly and are a good representation of the wide range of shades found in these issues.
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Row 1
Three shades of Red-Brown. Three shades of Yellow-Brown.

Row 2
Brick Red, Orange-Red, Orange. Plum, Brown-Rose, Orange-Brown.

Row 3
Claret, Orange-Red, Pale Red. Pale Rose, Rose-Red, Bright Rose-Red.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 31 Dec 2015 07:16
by Remco Mouthaan
Beautiful scan and stamps!!!

Indeed the colors are way better now.

Is it safe to re soak these btw, to remove hinges
and gum leftovers?

Thanks and all the best for 2016 :)

Remco

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 31 Dec 2015 08:51
by satsuma
Thanks emason,
Wow, from somebody who has no GB stamps at all, this primer is almost enough in itself to make me want to start collecting this issue.
This is the kind of info I was seeking in my Rare Australian KGV shades thread.
Well Done.
Satsuma

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 31 Dec 2015 12:44
by DJCMH
Agree with Satsuma this is a fascinating thread that has definitely piqued my interest in early UK stamps and the endless possibilities that exist with collecting them, even in a simplified form.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 01 Jan 2016 03:49
by johnrcrow
Glad the improved scans worked. I do find that slight manipulation (increasing saturation and contrast) really helps me with shade differences. linked to dates etc this can be invaluable in nailing the beasts in German stamps.

I am going to have a go at fiddling the shades by computer of the GV 1d heads.... that should create a few critical posts.....

John

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 01 Jan 2016 03:52
by MrSamoa
This has such wonderful information.

I have nominated this for Aust Post's $110 prize for the Month's most helpful tip/post award.

If you agree, please go there and post some support.
http://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8100

Re: An Idiot's Guide to the GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated'

Posted: 01 Jan 2016 04:59
by emason
Remco Mouthaan wrote:Beautiful scan and stamps!!!
Indeed the colors are way better now.
Is it safe to re soak these btw, to remove hinges and gum leftovers?
Thanks and all the best for 2016 :)
Remco
Thank you Remco.
I believe the colours are fast, but as I never soak a stamp (I just wet the parts which I want to remove), I cannot be adamant about this, as have a couple of stamps where the colour appears to have leached into the paper and have no idea about how they were treated before they came into my possession.
I wish you a successful 2016.
Satsuma wrote:Wow, from somebody who has no GB stamps at all, this primer is almost enough in itself to make me want to start collecting this issue.
This is the kind of info I was seeking in my Rare Australian KGV shades thread.
Thank you Satsuma, good luck with your KGV shades thread.
DJCMH wrote:this is a fascinating thread that has definitely piqued my interest in early UK stamps and the endless possibilities that exist with collecting them, even in a simplified form.
I know exactly how you feel! :D
johnrcrow wrote:Glad the improved scans worked.
Thanks for the tip John.
MrSamoa wrote:This has such wonderful information. I have nominated this for Aust Post's $110 prize for the Month's most helpful tip/post award.
Thank you very much Mr Samoa, I really appreciate this. :D :D :D

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 01 Jan 2016 19:24
by JonEboy
Great thread Bill. I had the privilege to see Peter Aveyard's display of Penny Stars last year and this thread adds to what I saw and helps clarify the key issue for me, which is ease of identification. I might even have another look at the couple I have languishing in a stock book!

Jon

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 02 Jan 2016 01:09
by aethelwulf
Wonderful thread, hadn't seen it before. Like reading a specialized display in an exhibition. I don't have the patience to do such in-depth study.

Good luck in your nomination for Thread of the Month, it's contributions like this that make Stampboards great. :P

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 02 Jan 2016 01:58
by DaveR
JonEboy wrote:Great thread Bill. I had the privilege to see Peter Aveyard's display of Penny Stars last year and this thread adds to what I saw and helps clarify the key issue for me, which is ease of identification. I might even have another look at the couple I have languishing in a stock book!

Jon
And Peter Aveyard's display is "only" Die II Alphabet III 1855-1864 :!: For which he was awarded a Large Vermeil.

His superb display at Europhilex was a cut-down 5 frame display. His full display is (I think) 7 frames, which has won a number of Golds.

He'll be showing it at our local Society later in the year.

Dave.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 02 Jan 2016 05:35
by emason
JonEboy wrote:Great thread Bill. I had the privilege to see Peter Aveyard's display of Penny Stars last year and this thread adds to what I saw and helps clarify the key issue for me, which is ease of identification. I might even have another look at the couple I have languishing in a stock book!
Do that Jon, you never know what you might find. :)
I must admit that I have never heard of or seen Peter Aveyard's display. That must be on my list of things to do.
aethelwulf wrote:Wonderful thread, hadn't seen it before. Like reading a specialized display in an exhibition. I don't have the patience to do such in-depth study. Good luck in your nomination for Thread of the Month, it's contributions like this that make Stampboards great. :P
Thank you Aethelwulf, much appreciated.
DaveR wrote:And Peter Aveyard's display is "only" Die II Alphabet III 1855-1864 :!: For which he was awarded a Large Vermeil. His superb display at Europhilex was a cut-down 5 frame display. His full display is (I think) 7 frames, which has won a number of Golds. He'll be showing it at our local Society later in the year.
Are guests welcome?

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 02 Jan 2016 19:43
by JonEboy
emason wrote: I must admit that I have never heard of or seen Peter Aveyard's display. That must be on my list of things to do.
Definitely worth doing in my view, especially given the title of this thread!
emason wrote:
DaveR wrote:And Peter Aveyard's display is "only" Die II Alphabet III 1855-1864 :!: For which he was awarded a Large Vermeil. His superb display at Europhilex was a cut-down 5 frame display. His full display is (I think) 7 frames, which has won a number of Golds. He'll be showing it at our local Society later in the year.
Are guests welcome?
My guess is that guests will be welcome, they always are at our society. I also have somewhere in the house, on CD, his entire presentation from Perth 2012 which was 128 sheets. Amazing stuff....

Jon

EDIT: Found it. I'm sure Peter wouldn't mind me posting just the opening page of his exhibit. A bit of a taster for you.....
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Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 03 Jan 2016 08:38
by fromdownunder
emason , you have won the Stampboards Poster of the Month for December 2014 for this thread. See:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8100

Congratulations and please contact Glen to arrange for the delivery of your prize - An Australia Post 2014 Year Album.

Norm

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 03 Jan 2016 12:07
by MrSamoa
Congratulations on the well-deserved win

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 03 Jan 2016 23:05
by DaveR
emason wrote:
JonEboy wrote:Great thread Bill. I had the privilege to see Peter Aveyard's display of Penny Stars last year and this thread adds to what I saw and helps clarify the key issue for me, which is ease of identification. I might even have another look at the couple I have languishing in a stock book!
Do that Jon, you never know what you might find. :)
I must admit that I have never heard of or seen Peter Aveyard's display. That must be on my list of things to do.
aethelwulf wrote:Wonderful thread, hadn't seen it before. Like reading a specialized display in an exhibition. I don't have the patience to do such in-depth study. Good luck in your nomination for Thread of the Month, it's contributions like this that make Stampboards great. :P
Thank you Aethelwulf, much appreciated.
DaveR wrote:And Peter Aveyard's display is "only" Die II Alphabet III 1855-1864 :!: For which he was awarded a Large Vermeil. His superb display at Europhilex was a cut-down 5 frame display. His full display is (I think) 7 frames, which has won a number of Golds. He'll be showing it at our local Society later in the year.
Are guests welcome?
Hi Bill.

Guests are very welcome.

Kendal & District Philatelic Society - http://kendalstampclub.wix.com/kdps - Peter Aveyard's display is on 12 April.

I've just been updating the web site as we were flooded out of our long-time venue in December. First meeting in our new venue next week.

Congratulations on Poster of the Month.

Dave.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 04 Jan 2016 00:54
by goof
Congratulations Bill on this thread an excellent starter for those new to the world of the 1d stars.

I'm sorting out stars on covers at the moment, but its going to be a long task I have about 500 or so to go through and something else always seems to take precedence :!: :!:

regards
Mick

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 04 Jan 2016 04:07
by emason
MrSamoa wrote:Congratulations on the well-deserved win.
Thank you once again Marty for the nomination.
DaveR wrote:Guests are very welcome. Kendal & District Philatelic Society - http://kendalstampclub.wix.com/kdps - Peter Aveyard's display is on 12 April. I've just been updating the web site as we were flooded out of our long-time venue in December. First meeting in our new venue next week. Congratulations on Poster of the Month.
Thank you Dave. I will see if I can make it across country to your 12th April meeting.
goof wrote:Congratulations Bill on this thread an excellent starter for those new to the world of the 1d stars. I'm sorting out stars on covers at the moment, but its going to be a long task I have about 500 or so to go through and something else always seems to take precedence.
Thank you Mick. 500 covers is a lot, especially difficult when determining the watermark and paper. But as the C10 1d Rose-red (Large crown, alphabet 3, white paper, perf 14) is the most common stamp of this group, you can probably deal with around 85% (a pure guess) of the 500 at a glance, and put the remainder aside until you have more time. Good luck with this.

Re: An Idiot's Guide to GB QV 1d Red 'Stars Perforated' stam

Posted: 18 Jan 2016 02:53
by TKL
Not my collecting area but a very interest thread.

Thought this item may be of interest to fellow collectors:

One penny Die 11 Alphabet 111

Rose-Red Wmk. Large Crown

Perf 16 Plate 27 S.G.C11

Block of nine showing the Gothic 'K', tall "H' and small 'L'
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