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Hello everyone,

I have been purchasing different issues of "The 1981 Prince Charles/Princess Diana Royal Wedding" for sometime, and i decided that its time to set them in albums and index them properly.

I wanted to share this experience with all fellow members, so started this thread where i will post photos of my progress as i move on.
Questions, comments, thoughts, ideas and discussions are all welcomed and appreciated.

To start up I will post photos of how things look like right now:

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Wow, you have lots of stamps in there. :)

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Global Administrator wrote:Wow, you have lots of stamps in there. :)

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Hello Glen,

Thank you for moving the post to the correct forum and also thank you for your kind comment.

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Hello everyone,

I have this three albums of 48 pages each to use for the project, hope they will be enough, if not then then i have a backup 32 pages album of the same color:

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Hello everyone

Had time to sort the stamps and put them in separate envelops so it will be easier to find when looking for them, my table was in a mess but glad i had enough free time to finish it

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That sure is a big Omnibus collection. Hard to see for sure but they seem to be all Commonwealth countries. That is perhaps as it should be as they would all have a nominal connection to the Royal family through the Queen as head of the common wealth.

What I find a bit spurious is similar events being picked up by non commonwealth countries with no such connection, climbing on the money making bandwagon!
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It is rather sweet, Northstar, showing an interest in this event, considering the history of GB and your Country!

Of course Diana had, latterly, quite a "mixed press" here, but we all know what happened when it came to her funeral!

As vikingeck suggested- a good idea to avoid the "wallpaper" issuers!

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Hello Vikingeck and OldDuffer1,

Thank you both for your comments, my plan is to have a complete collection, including the unofficial issues (Chile, Oman ...etc), so far I have found that I have a few short sets (e.g Bahamas i have 1 stamp out of 2 :oops: ), and also some multiple sets (e.g Australia i have three full sets), so things will be more clear as i progress.

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Wow, you've certainly achieved an impressive hoard to begin your quest.

1981 was slap in the boom years, for stamps generally, for royal memorabilia, and for hope of the future king and queen etc ...... a rare alignment that Stanley Gibbons, and others, exploited to the hilt.

Here's a write up from a stamp shop in Edinburgh, about the sort of issues that faced someone trying to collect "the entire set" whilst they were being issued.

http://www.stamp-shop.com/1981-royal-wedding.html

Its also a useful reference point for all the materials issued at the time, and as part of the background to your collection.

There has been some quite damning articles over the years, about the sheer volume of "manufactured contrivances" (such as missing colours, imperf sheets, proofs etc) that were created, en masse, simply to milk this piqued interest.

(My advice would be steer well clear of these abnormals "as a completionist project", but obviously incorporate them into your collection where they have occurred already, or can be acquired at nominal cost).

Being realistic, they will probably never be worth very much in a re-sale context... I regularly come across folders full of them (and the original invoices!!), but "as a collection", they do contain enormous opportunity for "joy of ownership" (plus the "research possibilities" I know you enjoy from your previous sharings).

I look forward to see what you will make of your stockpile.

Good luck.

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Hello ViccyVFU,

Thank you for the informative comment and the link you posted, i can imagine what a money making opportunity it was for the people in the stamp business, and it seems they made an advantage of it to the extreme.

going through what i already have, i can see many of the "extra" sets including many specimens, and I have surely spend much more than £40-60 so far and its still not complete, but that is the case of the stamp market here in Iraq (at least 2-3 times more expensive, due to some reasons which i can explain some other time), and really i am not doing it as an investment, but because i love this hobby and that special satisfactory feeling i get when a project is complete.

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Hello everyone,

The SG Royal Wedding catalogue that i have shows that the Bhutan set is of 2 values plus other 2 values which are cut from a sheetlet, while the Scott catalogue says set of 4 values, so which one is correct?

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As you have all four copies, they apparently do exist. Regarding the SG listing, there are few options. It may be wrong, the other 2 stamps may not have official status as Royal Wedding stamps, the other two may have been issued at another date and listed there (have you checked for that), SG may be correct and Scott is fooled by some illegals.

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kuikka wrote:As you have all four copies, they apparently do exist. Regarding the SG listing, there are few options. It may be wrong, the other 2 stamps may not have official status as Royal Wedding stamps, the other two may have been issued at another date and listed there (have you checked for that), SG may be correct and Scott is fooled by some illegals.
Hello Kuikka and thank you for your reply.
Yes they exist and both SG and Scott have mentioned them, but SG mentioned a set of two plus another set of 2 which is cut off from sheetlet which add up to 4.
but Scott mentions a set of 4.
so i wanted to know if its a official 2 plus a sheetlet cut 2 (SG)? or a official set of 4(Scott)?
This will also affect how i arrange them in the album and number the sets.

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Are you able to find the issuing date of each stamp?

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kuikka wrote:Are you able to find the issuing date of each stamp?
I have posted photos of SG and Scott above, and both say 10th Sept. 1981

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That is the issue date of the set. I'm not sure if they would mention if individual stamp has different issuing date.

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Hello everyone,

Here are the photos of how the album looks like so far while waiting for help with the Bhutan set problem.

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SG SOTW 2000 lists all 4, so it looks like the error is in your SG Royal Wedding catalogue has the error.

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kuikka wrote:SG SOTW 2000 lists all 4, so it looks like the error is in your SG Royal Wedding catalogue has the error.
Thank you for Kuikka, much appreciated.

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Hello everyone,

Was able to do some more work on the album, the Bhutan set look like this now:

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and bellow are the photos for the the rest of the work done this morning:

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More photos to follow as i progress.

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Didn't SG get pretty crazy when it came to marketing 'errors' and such?

Well, obviously they were pretty heavily invested in making money from the event, producing a special catalogue...

I remember a thread here before (maybe it was a Sales post?) that had a bunch of this material complete with original invoices; somebody had signed up "for everything", and was getting errors and such at huge cost prices.
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Amazing hoard Northstar, they look really good together like this. Have fun :)
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aethelwulf wrote:I remember a thread here before (maybe it was a Sales post?) that had a bunch of this material complete with original invoices; somebody had signed up "for everything", and was getting errors and such at huge cost prices.
Might it have been this one? ...

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=81067

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aethelwulf wrote:Didn't SG get pretty crazy when it came to marketing 'errors' and such?

Well, obviously they were pretty heavily invested in making money from the event, producing a special catalogue...

I remember a thread here before (maybe it was a Sales post?) that had a bunch of this material complete with original invoices; somebody had signed up "for everything", and was getting errors and such at huge cost prices.
Its surprising to see such errors from such a reputable company, i have the special SG catalogue and i am wondering what other errors i will come across.
Rog wrote:Amazing hoard Northstar, they look really good together like this. Have fun :)
Thank you Rog.

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Northstar wrote:
kuikka wrote:As you have all four copies, they apparently do exist. Regarding the SG listing, there are few options. It may be wrong, the other 2 stamps may not have official status as Royal Wedding stamps, the other two may have been issued at another date and listed there (have you checked for that), SG may be correct and Scott is fooled by some illegals.
Hello Kuikka and thank you for your reply.
Yes they exist and both SG and Scott have mentioned them, but SG mentioned a set of two plus another set of 2 which is cut off from sheetlet which add up to 4.
but Scott mentions a set of 4.
so i wanted to know if its a official 2 plus a sheetlet cut 2 (SG)? or a official set of 4(Scott)?
This will also affect how i arrange them in the album and number the sets.

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I think the answer to your Bhutan stamps query is given here:

http://golowesstamps.com/reference/formatprinters/Bhutan/bhutanstamps.htm

About halfway down the (link) page, you will find the 1981 Royal Wedding issues, details of the imperfs, plus some later varieties that crept onto the market when Format International (Printers) were liquidated in 1988.

Note that some are quite rare!!

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ViccyVFU wrote: I think the answer to your Bhutan stamps query is given here:

http://golowesstamps.com/reference/formatprinters/Bhutan/bhutanstamps.htm
Thank you for the link ViccyVFU, i came across this website yesterday when was looking for the Grenada set with the P.R.G overprint.

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Hello everyone,

More work done yesterday, and here are the photos:

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Looking good, Northstar.

At some point, are you going to extend to other Royal Wedding philatelic memorabilia (Postcards / PHQ etc) and the hybrid items?

(Sometimes a little copy of the GB stamp doesn't convey how pretty she was).

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Decisions, decisions ...... File between G and H, or as an appendix?
(I don't imagine there are many crossover items out there, but I do see them occasionally).

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ViccyVFU wrote:Looking good, Northstar.

At some point, are you going to extend to other Royal Wedding philatelic memorabilia (Postcards / PHQ etc) and the hybrid items?
Thank you for your compliment ViccyVFU, at this point i dont collect any type of postcards, FDCs ...etc, i had the opportunity to buy the complete Royal Wedding FDCs but decided not to, but may be in future my interests change.

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ViccyVFU wrote:(Sometimes a little copy of the GB stamp doesn't convey how pretty she was).
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Hello everyone,

More progress today:

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finished Guinea-Bissau:

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Next will be Guyana which i will extremely enjoy working on as i love overprints.

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Hello everyone,

The first album is full, so i will be working on the second album, the following photos are for the last pages of the first album:

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Next will be Jamaica then followed by Kenya.

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Hello everyone,

Started to work on the second album and finished Jamaica, Jersey and Kenya, photos are bellow:

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Next will be Kiribati and Lesotho.

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Hello Everyone,

Bellow are the photos for Kiribati and Lesotho:

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Next is Liberia and Maldives.

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Hello everyone,

Liberia and Maldives is ready:

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Next is Mali, Mauritania and Mauritius.

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Hello everyone,

Bellow are the photos for Mali, Mauritania and Mauritius:

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Next is Montserrat and Nevis.

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Hello everyone,

I finished working on Montserrat, the photos are bellow:

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Next will be working on Nevis.

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Hello everyone,

Nevis is done, and here are the photos:

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Next is New Zealand and Niger

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Hello everyone,

New Zealand and Niger are done:

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Next is Niue.

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Hello everyone,

Just finished working on Niue:

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Next is Norfolk Island and North Korea.

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Hello everyone,

I managed to finish Norfolk and North Korea, and the second album is full, so going to start with the third album, photos are bellow:

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Next Paraguay.

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Hello everyone,

Paraguay is ready and the photos are bellow:

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Next i will be working on Penrhyn Island.

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Hello everyone,

Bellow are the photos for Penrhyn Island and Pitcairn Islands:

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Next i will be working on St. Helena and St. Kitts.

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Hello everyone,

Finished with St. Kitts, photos are bellow:

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Next is St. Lucia.

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Hello everyone,

St. Lucia is ready as you can see in the photos bellow:

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Next i will work on St. Thomas & Prince Islands.

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St. Thomas & Prince Islands is ready, photos are bellow:

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Next is St. Vincent.

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St. Vincent is ready and the photos are bellow:

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Next is St. Vincent Grenadines.

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Hello everyone,

Finished working on St. Vincent Grenadines, you will realize in the photos bellow that I have stopped numbering the sets, its because I decided to do it when i finish the whole collection as i found a gutter pair for Grenada Grenadines and it should be placed in the first album, so i have to do the numbering for almost the whole collection.

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Next will be Samoa.

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Hello everyone,

Samoa is ready, photo is bellow:

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Next is Seychelles.

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