WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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I have been collecting this issue seemingly forever and yet have rarely been able to find die or plate proofs (in blocks of 4) for sale, directly or by auction.

I do usually buy these when I see them.

If anyone has some of this material for sale please get in touch with g.sanders [at] sanclaro.com

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Re: WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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Are you only interested in blocks of 4?

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Hi Marty

No, not just blocks of 4. I said that as I do have a few of the ½d colour trials in blocks of 4, so in that value I'd like to stay with the blocks.

However for other values I'll consider any material. Cheers

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Re: WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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These posthumous plate proofs from the defaced plates held at Te Papa Tongerewa Museum of New Zealand exist in the market, although most copies reside with the RPSNZ and Te Papa.

These are a sample.

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As part of a celebratory exhibition in 2010 at the Royal Philatrelic Society, London, I put together for the RPSNZ a frame from their Samoa holdings. Here is the introductory text.

In 1980, as preparation for a display at the Dominion Museum of New Zealand, the late Jim Brodie arranged, with the Curator of the Museum and the Government Printing Office, to have a variety of posthumous plate proofs made from the extant plates of the 1886-1900 Palm Trees issue. At the same time, prints were also taken from the contemporary Malietoa and Flag issue, and the 1893 1d Queen Makea Takau issue of the Cook Islands. This display, selected from the holdings in the Archives of the Royal Philatelic Society of New Zealand, aim to show some of the range of prints taken at the time.

Over 70 different prints were created, on a variety of papers and colours, and a very few were further perforated. Some were printed off up to ten times, others appear to be “one-offs.” In some, the sunken plate surrounds were deliberately inked and pressed, to show the numbers “1” to “4” that sometimes appeared there. In others, the remaining bulls-eye and cross marginal features were also inked and printed. It appears that three holdings were produced – one remained with the Museum (now the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa), one was supplied to A.R. “Dick” Burge which formed part of his Court of Honour display at Palmpex ’82 (this holding now resides in an important collection in the USA) and one was supplied to Jim Brodie “for the work done”. Jim subsequently passed the bulk of this holding on to the RPSNZ for their Archives. The three holdings are not the same - for instance there are no perforated items in Te Papa’s holding.

The plates were “destroyed” by a variety of defacements – gouge, chisel and punch - on 8th December 1900 and were split along the vertical gutter into the two panes of 60 impressions, then forwarded on to the Colonial Museum (as it was then). There they were forgotten for some years until discovered, buried, in 1915 by workmen unblocking a drain. The full story is ably told in Volume V of The Postage Stamps of New Zealand (RPSNZ, 1967), updated in 1982 by P. Brownsey in the New Zealand Stamp Collector, 62/3 Sept 1982.


Here's a few more

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Re: WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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Hi Adam

Thanks for these illustrations. I'm aware of the existence of these prints from Odenweller and several other sources.

I haven't seen any for sale in recent times and would certainly like to get some for my collection.

Thanks again

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Great story on the Samoa Palms Plate proofs Adam.

When they told this guy ''DEFACE THE PLATES'' - he certainly took it literally! :lol:
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Re: WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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Mowbray Postal Stamp Auction #513 for 2 July 2019

Lot 2546 - Samoa 1886 1/2d Palm Trees, imperf plate proof blks of 4 in purple-brown (issued color) and pale violet unmarked mauve paper. No gum. $120.

Lot 2547 - Samoa c1886 6d Palm Trees brown-lake; p 12x11.5 wove paper plate proof. off center; no gum. $100
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Thanks for the link.

My Mowbray catalogue arrived yesterday and these lots are already tagged. Hopefully they will be affordable.

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Hi. Were you able to obtain the blocks from Mowbray?
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Re: WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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Hi

Yes, I got some but I'm always on the lookout for more...

Thanks

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Re: WTB: Samoa Palms stamp issue proofs (Die or Plate)

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Global Administrator wrote:
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Great story on the Samoa Palms Plate proofs Adam.

When they told this guy ''DEFACE THE PLATES'' - he certainly took it literally! :lol:
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