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I've just clicked on the link, and it appears that this offer is no longer available. However, they offer a 2020 e-Book entitled "Catalogue de Timbres de France 2020". Does anyone know if this is the equivalent to what was offered previously?

Here is the link ... http://www.spinkbooks.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=107&product_id=713

(edited to reference the 2020 version, not the 2019 version)
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Hi,

Look here:

http://www.spinkbooks.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=88

They are still selling the older catalogs for reduced prices.

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Just purchased the 2020 catalogue, it arrived in four days, is a wonderful reference. Colour reproduction is first-rate, pricing is fancifully high but listed in-depth (prices multiples, postal history etc.). I look forward to a deep dive into it.
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I received my slightly older 2016 edition at the offer price of 10 pounds sterling and it is well worth that price. Superb quality and quickly delivered by courier.
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From the covers posted above, it seems only French stamps are included. Which is the one for Colonies stamps, please?
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Hi IINET,

I use the Maury catalogues for the French Colonies. It is split into three catalogues:

Africa
Europe/Asia
Dom Tom (French overseas territories and departments)

Very detailed, however Spink in buying Maury has focused its effort on the French stamps catalogue and nothing has been updated for the colonies since 2015.


You could get the latest Yvert et Tellier for $60 euros. It looks ok. A totally revamped book.
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Hi,

Sorry to bump this thread but I felt my post did not need a separate topic.

I am in the process of starting collecting France. I have a Michel catalogue 2015. where France is in. I am considering to buy a catalogue specifically for France. I am looking at Yvert and Spink Maury. I could buy the newest editions of Yvert or Spink Maury but I have seen a 2019 Spink Maury in 2 volumes also. I was wondering if the 2019 had more info as it has more pages in the 2 volumes compared to the 2022/2023 one. Any advice?
I am also considering to collect France up to the year 2000, so a new edition only benefits me when there are improvement in how the organise the older stamps. I believe Yvert has done that in the 2023 edition…

Anyway, any advice is welcome. Thanks.
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The answer depends a bit on what level of expertise you are looking for and what your interests are. My French collection level is average to semi-specialised, so shades of the pre-1900 stamps then on and off cover up to ~1960.

I use Yvert et Tellier which is detailed enough for my needs and easy enough to understand even though I dont speak fluent French; I have heard some people state that Maury is a much better catalogue in terms of detail but Y&T works for me; personal preference definitely comes into it!

I have attached some pictures so you get an idea of what the inside looks like; this is the 2021 edition, full colour, ~1500 pages.
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Hey Alchemy,

Thank you for your reply. It definitely helps. I read Maury is more specialised too, but I guess it could overwhelm me as I am not only new to collecting France but new to collecting anything. Maybe off topic, but do you collect current issues too or only up to a certain year or period?
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Chris76 wrote: 27 Feb 2023 08:06 Hey Alchemy,

Thank you for your reply. It definitely helps. I read Maury is more specialised too, but I guess it could overwhelm me as I am not only new to collecting France but new to collecting anything. Maybe off topic, but do you collect current issues too or only up to a certain year or period?
I stop my France collection, with the exception of some of the modern miniature sheets, at the currency revaluation in 1960. Its the same for most of my collecting areas; UK and Commonwealth I usually stop at decimalisation and western Europe around the mid 1960's. As I almost always collect used, that period allows me to have stamps, covers and postal history as a coherent collection.
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That is interesting. Makes a lot of sense too.
And what is the reason you bought/have a relatively new Yvert catalogue (2021) when you ‘only’ collect up to 1960? Does the Yvert you showed pictures provide with any nee info regarding the older stamps (you collect)?

Thanks for all the helpful info. I am still pretty new to the hobby compared to others.
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Previously I used an old SG France catalogue from the 1980's but it was / is quite basic and is in black and white.

The newer Y&T includes colour, blocks and multiples of the earlies, cover examples, details of how to tell the pre-1940's types apart in detail way beyond SG, examples of various French postmarks and rates. It includes all the 1944/45 Liberation overprints and the "Libre" and Vichy Colonial issues and illustrates the booklet pane adverts and so on.

If you wish to go beyond the "one stamp, off paper, of each colour and value" type collecting then the newer catalogues are impossible to do without. Of course, the date of 2021 is not so important for me, I could have used 2020, 2019, 2022 etc but when I was buying it I just bought the newest one and its unlikely I will replace it for the next 20 years.

I have a similar approach with Germany; I use the Michel Germany catalogue (not the specialised one) but that is from 2000 as, again, the collection stops in the late 1960's so I dont need the modern listings but the catalogue has the details i need for the older issues including illustrations in colour, locals, occupation issues, Zusammansdrucke (sp?) pairs and strips and so on.

Of course, if you want to start with a simplified type collection then the online SG simplified Stamps of the World does list every standard stamp as the cheapest option which is fine for a straight listing of modern stamps.

There is a separate thread on here around what catalogues people use; have a look, its very interesting to understand the number and types of specialist catalogues available to collectors.
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Alchemy68 wrote: 27 Feb 2023 21:32 Previously I used an old SG France catalogue from the 1980's but it was / is quite basic and is in black and white.

The newer Y&T includes colour, blocks and multiples of the earlies, cover examples, details of how to tell the pre-1940's types apart in detail way beyond SG, examples of various French postmarks and rates. It includes all the 1944/45 Liberation overprints and the "Libre" and Vichy Colonial issues and illustrates the booklet pane adverts and so on.

If you wish to go beyond the "one stamp, off paper, of each colour and value" type collecting then the newer catalogues are impossible to do without. Of course, the date of 2021 is not so important for me, I could have used 2020, 2019, 2022 etc but when I was buying it I just bought the newest one and its unlikely I will replace it for the next 20 years.

I have a similar approach with Germany; I use the Michel Germany catalogue (not the specialised one) but that is from 2000 as, again, the collection stops in the late 1960's so I dont need the modern listings but the catalogue has the details i need for the older issues including illustrations in colour, locals, occupation issues, Zusammansdrucke (sp?) pairs and strips and so on.

Of course, if you want to start with a simplified type collection then the online SG simplified Stamps of the World does list every standard stamp as the cheapest option which is fine for a straight listing of modern stamps.

There is a separate thread on here around what catalogues people use; have a look, its very interesting to understand the number and types of specialist catalogues available to collectors.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=47131
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Thanks again for taking the time to answer and direct me. Will check the link you provided.
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Hi

If I decide on buying a Spink Maury catalogue, which year would you advise me to buy?

I am looking to collect until the year 2000, but like to make an exception for the definitive series. The new Spink has a good price in my opinion, but I have also seen a 2017 version but also a 2019 versies in 2 volumes.
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Hi Chris76,

The Spink Maury 2017 covers stamps until 2015, so you are fine. There is a nice study on definitives from 1967 to 2013

The Spink Maury 2019 covers stamps until 2017. Also as you said it is in 2 volumes, and in the first one the study on definitives is from 1967 to 2016.

The second volume covers the year 1960 to 2017

Now for the actual French definitives you would need a recent catalogue.
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Thanks Ceres,

The 2019 in two volumes, did they just split the catalogue in two and is the 2019 version as detailed? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to understand why the 2019 is in 2 volumes.
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Hi Chris76,

Well all editions of the Spink and Maury have something different to offer in its content. In 2018, 2019 they were sold in two volumes because presentation was spaced a bit more, photos have been added some have been deleted, new infos added...

The newest shows stamps up 1960 and varieties after 1960.

It all depends on what you want to collect.

The bible for the classic period is the 2009 edition of the Maury catalogue (before Spink bought it). It comes in two volumes as well with a myriad of details for that period.
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Thanks Ceres.

A lot of good info. I just ordered the latest edition. I do have a Michel catalogue with France in it, but I feel it is pretty standard. I generally live the Michel catalogues though.
Maybe I can get my hands on a 2009 edition and it might compliment what I ordered now if I read your info correct.

Also, here in the Netherlands I only see Michel or Yvert for catalogue numbers. Makes it harder to track what I have and what I don’t. I guess I need to add columns to my excel sheet for each stamp and its Yvert, Michel and Spink Maury number. I wonder how others do this.
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Hi Chris76,

The 2009 is pretty hard to get these days, but you can get lucky on Ebay and Delcampe.

As for the numbering system, each catalogue editors have their own, and it is very annoying.

However for the French stamps, Yvert numbering is widely used when buying from France.

An excel sheet can help for sure if you have the time to do so...
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Yeah, Yvert but also Michel is used a lot.
I consider buying an older Yvert for the numbering. But maybe all catalogues compliment each other, although the feeling I get on this forum that for France the Spink Maury is the most used. Then again, depends maybe on how deep someone wants to go. For a beginner of collecting France I could have done with my Michel also.

I already ran into a stamp with a wonderful cancel that is advertised with an Yvert nr 94 (cancel Bethune pas de Calais). But there is Type I and II in my Michel catalogue and they different hugely in catalogue prise.
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Hi Chris76,

Yes number 94 is type II, but type I is under number 70 in the Yvert and Maury.

The different type has to do with the signature at the bottom left:

J.A. SAGE INV

If the N of INV is under the B of REPUBLIQUE then it is type I
If the N of INV is under the U of REPUBLIQUE then it is type II
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How does the 2016 SG French Colonies 1st edition compare to the Maury volumes of French colonies (around the same year for the latest version, or correct me)?
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Hi EveningGuest,

I don't know anything about the SG French colonies catalogue.

As for the Maury catalogues, they were divided into 3 different volumes:

- The African colonies the last catalogue 2015
- The Asian and European colonies is from 2012
- The D.O.M and T.O.M is from 2009

There was also a fourth volume for Andorre, Monaco, St Pierre et Miquelon and the T.A.A.F

They are all pretty well detailed, showing all cancels, use of the General issues, all stamps and varieties...
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Ceres wrote: 22 Mar 2023 20:54 Hi EveningGuest,

I don't know anything about the SG French colonies catalogue.

As for the Maury catalogues, they were divided into 3 different volumes:

- The African colonies the last catalogue 2015
- The Asian and European colonies is from 2012
- The D.O.M and T.O.M is from 2009

There was also a fourth volume for Andorre, Monaco, St Pierre et Miquelon and the T.A.A.F

They are all pretty well detailed, showing all cancels, use of the General issues, all stamps and varieties...
Thanks Ceres. Are any of these available currently? Spink's website lists Dallay versions from a decade before.

Still keen to hear views of the SG 2016 edition. I'm not looking for minutiae.
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Hi EveningGuest,

The dates previously mentioned are for the last of these catalogues.
Spink releases every year the French catalogue only.

If you want the latest on colonies, Yvert et Tellier has released last year a brand new one, and, in a new format.

Otherwise on Delcampe you can get old Maury.
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The SG French Colonies regional catalogue is quite good as a starting point, but definitely not as exhaustive as either the Yvert Frech Colonies Volume I (latest edition 2022 I believe) or the old but even more detailed (but sadly now out of print and not revived by Spink) Dallay/Maury volumes for the French colonies/sphere. Dallay/Maury covers in 4 volumes what SG French Colonies covers in 1, and the volumes are each several hundred pages.

If you can find the Dallay/Maury volumes second-hand, those are your best bet, second choice would be the Yvert French Colonies (which is available in digital form on Yvert's website)
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DJCMH wrote: 24 Mar 2023 16:14 The SG French Colonies regional catalogue is quite good as a starting point,
DJCMH, thank you for your useful response. I'm looking for a decent reference, but I am not interested in plates, proofs, tiny flaws or rare usages. My interest is aesthetic rather than completist. On that basis would SG suffice?

Would anyone have a scan of a sample page of the SG volume? I can't see the YT volume on their site (the e-version, yes).
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EveningGuest wrote: 24 Mar 2023 21:36
DJCMH wrote: 24 Mar 2023 16:14 The SG French Colonies regional catalogue is quite good as a starting point,
DJCMH, thank you for your useful response. I'm looking for a decent reference, but I am not interested in plates, proofs, tiny flaws or rare usages. My interest is aesthetic rather than completist. On that basis would SG suffice?

Would anyone have a scan of a sample page of the SG volume? I can't see the YT volume on their site (the e-version, yes).
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Super, thank you DJCMH. I assume both catalogues are in colour?
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Hi EveningGuest,

Maybe the hard cover is sold out as it was a first for YT. New format, new infos and details...
I have also put some pics on Sénégal to show the difference with SG.
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Ceres wrote: 25 Mar 2023 13:30
I have also put some pics on Sénégal to show the difference with SG.
Much appreciated Ceres, thank you. Looks quite comprehensive. But if it's not available, the SG will have to do. As I mentioned, I'm not looking for completist listings.
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Hi EveningGuest,

That is fine. Probably SG will do.

If in the future you want to go into a more detailed collection then you might want to get an YT.

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I have a 2004/5 Dallay catalogue and noticed an abbreviation used in the tables for destination mail.

For example, at the end of the 1853-60 stamp listings, under Greece, Turkey & Romania it says (hors BFE).

Could someone please explain what this abbreviation means?
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Hi Bathurst,

BFE= Bureau Français à l’Étranger refers to French post office abroad.

So Hors BFE = without using the French post office abroad
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Thank you so much Ceres, very much appreciated :)
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